Would you change your vote ?
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Mr Tidy said:
Its a very fair point. It was always going to be hard to explain the complexities of international trade and economics to such a huge number of people (even Cabinet ministers seem to have misunderstood some of the basics!) although I do think it could have been done a lot better. A lot of what happened last time was therefore reduced to short soundbites - take back control of our borders, money and laws. stop sending huge sums to the EU, they need us more than we need them, WTO rules are no problem, we can have frictionless trade at our borders, millions of jobs will be lost, house prices will tumble, inflation will go up etc etc. Project believe v project fear - how could the guy in the street be expected to know which is true or really understand the risks and benefits? In some cases it seems that the government had not even done its own research before it launched the referendum so frightened was it of UKIP. I don't think many will have changed their mind but perhaps that will soon be tested. May's deal is closer to remain than any of the stuff Johnson, Mogg and Davies were urging and it remains to be seen whether a second referendum will be supported by those characters.
MrPT said:
Serious point actually, even if nobody changed their vote my guess is that a new vote now would probably be to remain because of demographic changes. In the last two years 1.2 million people have died and 2 million youngsters can now vote. If the original Common Market referendum wasn't binding forever, was the 2016 vote?
i remind the Honorable gentlemen to the simple fact that you can always tell when a politician lies - his lips move.. and they are all there to line their own pockets, anything else is purely coincidental, the art of a being a politician is to be able lie with a straight face and never admit anything or answer a question.
Ewazix said:
Fishing is often cited as a reason for leaving the EU but in reality its a very small part of our economy (less than 0.5%). In addition to that we currently have a trade surplus with the EU - if we played hardball and said you can't fish in our waters its highly likely they would retaliate with higher tariffs which would damage that trade. The Spanish and French don't steal our fish - all they do is work to agreed quotas just as we do in their waters - for example a lot of our fleet fish in Norweigan waters. Quotas are beneficial because they can prevent over fishing - fish don't respect international boundaries so leaving a quota based system could lead to precisely that. Would we also need to spend money patrolling our waters?
oh s**t here we go... this is gonna make more waves that 100 windows vs lemon posts.. ..
i think im gonna bow out of this one, i have strong feelings on this and its gonna get very bumpy in here
i think im gonna bow out of this one, i have strong feelings on this and its gonna get very bumpy in here
NO Second vote its not constitutional , We had a vote, UK voted to leave, not one part of the UK voted this London voted that, Scotland this lol UK voted Leave
it was meant to be 1 in a life time vote, dose this mean every time we now have an election and some do not like the vote we moan until we get a second vote lol, how far do we go with this,
it was meant to be 1 in a life time vote, dose this mean every time we now have an election and some do not like the vote we moan until we get a second vote lol, how far do we go with this,
1066 Country
As a remainer, I’d now change my vote to a HARD BREXIT.
May’s deal:is far worse economically & politically than we have now.
Any new referendum majority vote which showed we wanted to remain:
- Brussels would insist we loose sterling
- Brussels would insist we lost our special Maggie Vito
- Brussels would demand greater commitment, everywhere
Alternatively, let’s cause even more chaos by dividing up the U.K. into two new states - one for those who want to remain, those who want to leave... & build a Trump wall while we’re at it
(that was a joke)
May’s deal:is far worse economically & politically than we have now.
Any new referendum majority vote which showed we wanted to remain:
- Brussels would insist we loose sterling
- Brussels would insist we lost our special Maggie Vito
- Brussels would demand greater commitment, everywhere
Alternatively, let’s cause even more chaos by dividing up the U.K. into two new states - one for those who want to remain, those who want to leave... & build a Trump wall while we’re at it
(that was a joke)Jembo said:As a remainer, I’d now change my vote to a HARD BREXIT.
May’s deal:is far worse economically & politically than we have now.
Any new referendum majority vote which showed we wanted to remain:
- Brussels would insist we loose sterling
- Brussels would insist we lost our special Maggie Vito
- Brussels would demand greater commitment, everywhere
Alternatively, let’s cause even more chaos by dividing up the U.K. into two new states - one for those who want to remain, those who want to leave... & build a Trump wall while we’re at it
I can sympathise with your frustration but its simply not true to assert that Brussels could insist on any of those things. The ECJ ruling today confirmed that we can simply revoke Article 50 and carry on as before. They have always wanted us to remain and would, I think, welcome us with open arms. They are our allies and friends. A hard Brexit would be a disaster for us all in the opinion of most experts. The Eton Boys will try to tell you otherwise of course but they are multi millionaires and have nothing to lose.
Vornwend said:Jembo said:As a remainer, I’d now change my vote to a HARD BREXIT.
May’s deal:is far worse economically & politically than we have now.
Any new referendum majority vote which showed we wanted to remain:
- Brussels would insist we loose sterling
- Brussels would insist we lost our special Maggie Vito
- Brussels would demand greater commitment, everywhere
Alternatively, let’s cause even more chaos by dividing up the U.K. into two new states - one for those who want to remain, those who want to leave... & build a Trump wall while we’re at it
I can sympathise with your frustration but its simply not true to assert that Brussels could insist on any of those things. The ECJ ruling today confirmed that we can simply revoke Article 50 and carry on as before. They have always wanted us to remain and would, I think, welcome us with open arms. They are our allies and friends. A hard Brexit would be a disaster for us all in the opinion of most experts. The Eton Boys will try to tell you otherwise of course but they are multi millionaires and have nothing to lose.
The choice between a rock & a hard place.
It’s a bit like a disgruntled employee who wants more, says is going to leave as believes the grass is greener on the other side... then finds there is ‘no grass’.
I trust if you’ve ever been involved in high stakes negotiation, you’ll know once your target has played their hand, has to retreat & then is stuck to 1 place, my experience is they end up loosing even more.
Whilst they are our good neighbours, they will want to send a message it can never happen again... & this is what worries me, as am sure they would also demand article 50 may never be invoked by the U.K. again.
I want out, I voted for it, and I'm old enough to remember when we were not in it. Back then we voted for a common market. Not a eurostate. We didn't vote to be controlled we voted to trade. We didn't vote for Brussels to overrule our courts. Or make our rules. To TRADE, that was all.
As for now, we have career politions who watch their backs without principle or backbone . May is outclassed and spineless, she is no Maggy, or Churchill, do you think for one second we would be here now if we had the caliber of those here?
As for now, we have career politions who watch their backs without principle or backbone . May is outclassed and spineless, she is no Maggy, or Churchill, do you think for one second we would be here now if we had the caliber of those here?
road warrior said:
A Good point - and doesn't the EU do more trade with us that the other way round, why do they seem to be holding the aces?
I also think too many politicians are using this as a political football for their own gains rather than what is best for the people they are supposed to be representing
I want Reese mogg
Strummer63
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I agree.road warrior said:
I still want to leave.
Dammit, I said I wouldn't get involved