World Trade Centre Dustification
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One thing to consider is if the conspiracy theory is true (I dont think it is but) how many people must be in on the plan? It would only take one of a lot of people to blow the whistle or slip up just the once for the plot to come tumbling down so to speak. Imagine if you were one of those people the power you would hold over some very important people would be immense. People don't or can't keep secrets like that for very long.
It doesn't help the conspiracy theorists any that most if not all those involved had links to Saudi Arabia including Bin Laden.
It doesn't help the conspiracy theorists any that most if not all those involved had links to Saudi Arabia including Bin Laden.
Nictrix said:
Correct.....
:wink: I’m not asking anyone to agree with me, I’m just asking someone, anyone to tell me how you could amass a bunch of murderers, that is all. So far no one can, and unless one is a complete knuckle dragging half wit it’s a fair question that has more than a little to do with it.
john-e89 said:Nictrix said:
Correct.....
I’m not asking anyone to agree with me, I’m just asking someone, anyone to tell me how you could amass a bunch of murderers, that is all. So far no one can, and unless one is a complete knuckle dragging half wit it’s a fair question that has more than a little to do with it.
One way of looking at it John is it would be so incredible that no-one would believe it.
I just have an open mind, I do think Dr Judy Wood has opened up a can of worms and her thoughts that the towers were affectively vaporised as they fell leaving little of them left on the ground. When you think about it she has a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdagKYOlxEM
Tim.
Dr Judy Wood also believes in
Tesla death rays.
Free energy but errr... she's not quite sure how it works.
Weather control conducted by sinister world government agencies.
The easter bunny .... oh sorry I made that one up.
She is generally considered as a complete irrational by her peer group.
Just because you have a Ph.D and have published papers in certain fields (she's an interferometrist for god's sake) does not grant you cedibility in others. I remember a professor of chemistry who was a lauded expert in his field but who was a creationist and refused to accept carbon dating and regression (mathematical that is).
She has made a very good living out of this over the years.
Have a look at her Facebook page and note her scientific rigour and that of her followers
FFS This is the real world not some f***ing shadowy conspiracy laden dreamland.
If you want to argue then quote teal numbers and use real science. There is no such thing as 'downward inertia' the phrase has no meaning. Quote masses and accelerations. There is no meaning to phrases such as 'massively strong' . Quote sheer strengths , torsional loads , commpressional forces etc etc.
The most often used weapon of the conspiracist is weak logic and poor science.
Rant over time for a G&T and bed
Tesla death rays.
Free energy but errr... she's not quite sure how it works.
Weather control conducted by sinister world government agencies.
The easter bunny .... oh sorry I made that one up.
She is generally considered as a complete irrational by her peer group.
Just because you have a Ph.D and have published papers in certain fields (she's an interferometrist for god's sake) does not grant you cedibility in others. I remember a professor of chemistry who was a lauded expert in his field but who was a creationist and refused to accept carbon dating and regression (mathematical that is).
She has made a very good living out of this over the years.
Have a look at her Facebook page and note her scientific rigour and that of her followers
FFS This is the real world not some f***ing shadowy conspiracy laden dreamland.
If you want to argue then quote teal numbers and use real science. There is no such thing as 'downward inertia' the phrase has no meaning. Quote masses and accelerations. There is no meaning to phrases such as 'massively strong' . Quote sheer strengths , torsional loads , commpressional forces etc etc.
The most often used weapon of the conspiracist is weak logic and poor science.
Rant over time for a G&T and bed
IMO both stories are ridiculous and far fetched but seemingly one of them or a version of it, is the truth.
The fact remains that the US managed to amass thousands of people from various countries, some of whom murdered people and we watched it unfold on our tv screens in the name of WMD. They convinced entire nations that it was the “right” thing to do.
I wouldn’t put anything past such a country that is willing to literally say and do anything to get what it wants.
So it’s believable that multiple planes can be hijacked in the most well protected country in the world and then also all can deviate from their flight plans and fly into buildings using a high degree of skill, without any fighter jets intercepting them.........but the very same “terrorists” couldn’t get access to the twin towers and rig them with explosives??
I’m not saying that’s what I believe but it’s not beyond the realms of possibility, certainly no less plausible than the hijackings, that seemingly is believable.
The fact remains that the US managed to amass thousands of people from various countries, some of whom murdered people and we watched it unfold on our tv screens in the name of WMD. They convinced entire nations that it was the “right” thing to do.
I wouldn’t put anything past such a country that is willing to literally say and do anything to get what it wants.
So it’s believable that multiple planes can be hijacked in the most well protected country in the world and then also all can deviate from their flight plans and fly into buildings using a high degree of skill, without any fighter jets intercepting them.........but the very same “terrorists” couldn’t get access to the twin towers and rig them with explosives??
I’m not saying that’s what I believe but it’s not beyond the realms of possibility, certainly no less plausible than the hijackings, that seemingly is believable.
john-e89 said:
Ok, first off I am royally cheesed off that I already wrote out this entire thing once, clicked send and it disappeared! Maybe I've stumbled upon something they don't want putting out there... more likely I'm paranoid and a bit of an idiot for writing such a long piece without saving it. But I'm sticking to my guns and seeing it through.
Now then, no John, I don't believe a scenario ever took place where thousands of applications went out to would-be mass murderers. Whether I believe such a debacle would need that amount of input is another matter.
Let's stick with the narrative that a few lunatics simply hijacked two planes and hit the towers. I'm not denying that happened, we all saw it. But let's say for instance that for whatever reason, maybe weeks, maybe years before, the charges that would enable a controlled demolition were already present. Maybe a fallback procedure, security, I don't know. Two planes have just hit the towers, they're engulfed in flames, the buildings have been evacuated to realistically their maximum possible ability. There's no possible chance of safely getting to those stuck high up. Effectively now what you have playing out on live TV to the entire world is thousands of people slowly burning alive, people are jumping out of windows, America has just been humiliated by one man and his merry band of men. All that's left to do now is to let the world watch on as it plays out until it's end (families, children, patriots), still live on air! It could take hours, days even to play out (see Grenfell). Only very few select senior officials have the clearance to suggest or ask for the next possible steps to take. An idea is floated among them, the buildings are already strapped up, the men (or women) stall on it for a moment to contemplate every possible step and every outcome. They then get a call from the one man who has the ultimate say... reluctantly, "Take them down". It closes the chapter on an event that would only get worse and America can now deal with the aftermath. Could I envision a scenario along those lines being a reality, honestly, yes.
Now obviously there are holes in that theory. These are just idea's thrown out there directly from my tiny brain, not from any documentary or conspirasist that I know of. Why didn't both towers go down at the same time then? Why indeed. Or alternatively, why did it take tower one, every bit identical to tower two, far far faaar longer to burn before it fell than the second tower? I don't know.
Moving on. Let's say both towers went down exactly as described in the official reports and the theories are all a load of rubbish. Did someone see an opportunity to take down building 7 during all the fracas? It's on fire, it's empty, maybe cut your losses? Maybe there's even an insurance job in there. What I have not been satisfactorily convinced of is that it was brought down by fire, not a plane, in a manner that looks even more like a controlled demolition than the twin towers did.
Let's say that whole event really did go as the official reports say. It still doesn't explain to me how a boeing 757 disappeared into a hole that it is physically impossible to fit through by pulling off a maneuver that it was not aerodynamically designed to make, by amateur pilots, leaving behind no evidence - physical, video or other - that it ever happened. What does strike my attention is that a military jet that can be flown unmanned (therefore no kamikaze pilots) and is designed to pull off the sort of maneuver required with pinpoint accuracy, is roughly the size of the small hole made in the side of the Pentagon. Add into that the fact that it hit the exact spot where, unusually, nobody was due to be in that part of the building on that very day. Hence, no casualties. Is it possible that the towers incident is an entirely separate issue to that of the Pentagon? Maybe someone decided that in whole drama of the moment, an attack on the Federal government in a country renound for it's patriotism, would really drive home a war on terror with the American people. A false flag operation maybe (these do exist).
Like I said, these are just ideas I'm putting out there, I have no idea whether they did or even could happen. But nor do they involve thousands of mass murdering job applicants. All I'm saying is my stance is and always has been that there are loose ends, however small, that haven't been sufficiently explained and I 'believe' that we will never know the entire truth of that day. Some believe they have all of the answers, and I respect their right to claim so, I just don't believe it to be the case.
I did this damn thing twice, at least applaud the effort! :wink:
MrPT said:Maybe Dr Judy Wood is being paid by the US government to discredit the conspiracy theorists?!
Brilliant !
It is interesting how this is still being talked about so many years after it happened and also how it has been brought back to life on here also.
It has been mentioned before that when the towers were being built there were explosive charges placed inside the buildings to aid the demolition of the building should the need arise.
Some of these reasons included the need to bring the building down safely if it was damaged in an earthquake.
The knowledge of these explosive charges in skyscrapers is kept under wraps so the occupiers of the building are not really aware that they are sitting on a pile of explosives every day.
There is also rumours that there were large amounts of asbestos in the building that needed to be removed but this was going to cost a fortune.
Whether any of this is true or not is difficult to find out but there are videos around that show what looks like charges going off in the floors below where the planes hit just before the buildings fall.
Firemen who were on the ground were interviewed and said that they heard explosives going off at the same time.
As for finding a bunch of lunatics who would kill thousands of people and cover it up, its America, its full of them and they all pledge allegiance to the flag and I have no doubt that if ordered many would do whatever is needed to be done nomatter what the cost.
I mean some of them are trained to jump in front of a bullet to save the guy in charge
It has been mentioned before that when the towers were being built there were explosive charges placed inside the buildings to aid the demolition of the building should the need arise.
Some of these reasons included the need to bring the building down safely if it was damaged in an earthquake.
The knowledge of these explosive charges in skyscrapers is kept under wraps so the occupiers of the building are not really aware that they are sitting on a pile of explosives every day.
There is also rumours that there were large amounts of asbestos in the building that needed to be removed but this was going to cost a fortune.
Whether any of this is true or not is difficult to find out but there are videos around that show what looks like charges going off in the floors below where the planes hit just before the buildings fall.
Firemen who were on the ground were interviewed and said that they heard explosives going off at the same time.
As for finding a bunch of lunatics who would kill thousands of people and cover it up, its America, its full of them and they all pledge allegiance to the flag and I have no doubt that if ordered many would do whatever is needed to be done nomatter what the cost.
I mean some of them are trained to jump in front of a bullet to save the guy in charge
indeep75 said:
Very valid point. I think there's three things in play
1) what we know
2) what we don't
and
3) pure coincidence
The problem is 1 and 3 are constantly used to 'answer' 2.
I don't doubt there's more than meets the eye, but I can't help but feel it's something more akin to a serious design flaw, failure in government systems to act on known information or deal with the threats etc, maybe even 'allowing' it to happen for some reason, but I'm reluctant to beleive all of the C4 / secret weapon plans in lack of any actual evidence beyond 2 above. Maybe there is some sort of effect where the hyper heated air collapsing compressed air and literally blew the building to bits. Taking air crashes as a failure, how many crashes were beleived to be terrorism or missilre related when it actually tunred out to be inconceivable coincidences from a tiny failure..
john-e89 said:z4pilot said:Maybe all of the mass murderers involved in the plot were offered a free holiday and all set off together aboard MH370...
John, have I provided you with the satisfactory argument to your mass murder recruitment theory that you were looking for on the previous page? I don't think it requires that many 'in the know' to create some of the issues that I believe to be inadequately explained/
thanatu55 said:john-e89 said:z4pilot said:Maybe all of the mass murderers involved in the plot were offered a free holiday and all set off together aboard MH370...
John, have I provided you with the satisfactory argument to your mass murder recruitment theory that you were looking for on the previous page? I don't think it requires that many 'in the know' to create some of the issues that I believe to be inadequately explained/
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Ah now you see this how arguments happen on the keyboard, I’m laughing at the joke thanatu, not you my friend. It’s simply a funny joke, which is how it was intended unless I’m mistaken.
I don’t agree with any of your post on the previous page, well done for re-typing it though...!! :happyclap:
I don’t agree with any of the posts that have leanings towards the conspiracy theories but I’m certainly not laughing at them, nor the people writing them, you all have an opinion just as I have.
john-e89 said:thanatu55 said:john-e89 said:
John, have I provided you with the satisfactory argument to your mass murder recruitment theory that you were looking for on the previous page? I don't think it requires that many 'in the know' to create some of the issues that I believe to be inadequately explained/
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Ah now you see this how arguments happen on the keyboard, I’m laughing at the joke thanatu, not you my friend. It’s simply a funny joke, which is how it was intended unless I’m mistaken.
I don’t agree with any of your post on the previous page, well done for re-typing it though...!! :happyclap:
I don’t agree with any of the posts that have leanings towards the conspiracy theories but I’m certainly not laughing at them, nor the people writing them, you all have an opinion just as I have.
Haha no I got that :lol:
I was just that miffed over doing it twice I demanded to be heard! As I said before, this subject will never come to a conclusion where everybody agree's and the matter is put to bed. I would like to hear your opinion on the Pentagon incident though, what happened to the magic shrinking and vanishing plane?
I'm also a bit sad that since I've got to the end of my modding experience I am now reduced to writing stories on the forum instead
