Will the Z Appreciate?

I think the G29 release may have diminished the value of all the previous Z4s with the exception of a few.
It will be interesting to see if the true E85/86 roadster retains it's quaint appeal. Or the gentleman's E89 roadster enamors generations to come once the G29 becomes affordable for the masses.
The E85-89 models all have their following but they will all be modestly priced as they age like all of their competition has been with a few exceptional exceptions of course
 
scootr said:
I think the G29 release may have diminished the value of all the previous Z4s with the exception of a few.
It will be interesting to see if the true E85/86 roadster retains it's quaint appeal. Or the gentleman's E89 roadster enamors generations to come once the G29 becomes affordable for the masses.
The E85-89 models all have their following but they will all be modestly priced as they age like all of their competition has been with a few exceptional exceptions of course
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A new model will always affect the older ones, by how much its anybodys guess.
But looking at the previous 2 models, e85 and e89, the prices are extremely close for cars only a year apart with mileages often the deciding factor between them. This will probably be the same in 8-10 years for the G29 and E89.
All I know is if the 3 models were the same age with the same engine, spec and price I would still take the E89.
 
Of course they will.
Of course, an immaculate 1980 1.1L Ford Fiesta popular plus 1.1 will go up in value too. But do you want to hold onto your zed that long?
 
step_change said:
Of course they will.
Of course, an immaculate 1980 1.1L Ford Fiesta popular plus 1.1 will go up in value too. But do you want to hold onto your zed that long?
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Depends what else becomes available, though the nostalgic heyday has now passed with the onset of turbos & bling gizmos.

I’ve just bought a new Coupe (non-BMW) as the daily with most of the latest toys - boy is it lovely, oh yes.... does it have a soul like my E86.... Not in a million years!!!
 
I think it's pretty unlikely. Attitudes towards cars have changed, I just don't see there being any such thing as a 'modern classic' market in 25 years. There just won't be anyone interested in buying them.
 
maybe someone will mainstream a cheap cold fusion synthetic fuel for our toys... then the the EV’s can be scrapped
 
Well I don’t see me giving up on my z4 anytime soon. I think the E89 is one of the best looking BMW’s ever made.

I can not find any love for the new generation Z4. Tan ally I feel they have killed the looks of the car. I must admit they do sound lovely though.

Would be nice if the e89 did become a future classic, but as many have said, we will probably be forced to give up these cars, or have no use for them due to there being no fuel for them.
 
You guys bring up alot of interesting points. I sure hope they save one of each for the museum when we all start teleporting to Gramma's house for the holiday. :rofl:
I too love the E89 3L stick but, I admit I'm counting the years until I can afford a G29 M40i with 382 hp and 0-60 faster than a 5L Mustang
:P zoom zoom :P
 
Pooltee said:
Well I don’t see me giving up on my z4 anytime soon. I think the E89 is one of the best looking BMW’s ever made.

I can not find any love for the new generation Z4. Tan ally I feel they have killed the looks of the car. I must admit they do sound lovely though.

Would be nice if the e89 did become a future classic, but as many have said, we will probably be forced to give up these cars, or have no use for them due to there being no fuel for them.
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agreed, my friends wife got one in black its really nothing special at all.
 
step_change said:
But do you want to hold onto your zed that long?
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Err.. well, yes! The plan is to run it until 80,000, put it into storage and get something else for my 45th. I quite fancy a 5.0 Mustang convertible :w00t:
 
In time the e89 will have the same appeal as the Lexus SC430 IMO... I do think the M's and Alpinas stood a chance if they were born a decade earlier, but unfortunately I think what the guys said above is true, the dawn of electric vehicles will decimate any chance of appreciation in future.
 
Interesting video which reinforces my view that IC engined cars aren't going anywhere for a few years yet, well at least not in my lifetime I don't think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hatav_Rdnno
 
Silverstar said:
Interesting video which reinforces my view that IC engined cars aren't going anywhere for a few years yet, well at least not in my lifetime I don't think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hatav_Rdnno
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Did not watch all of this as it was getting a bit tedious.

I am going to presume that he does not mention that only around a max of 30% of the petrol is turned to useable energy, the rest is lost as heat in the cooling system via friction/exhaust etc. Interestingly the more power an IC engine produces the more efficient it is!!
In addition in my recent trolling around youtube it soon becomes apparent that many new battery technologies are on the horizon that will increase range substantially while reducing weight and size (less weight adds to range/performance), even one that traps C02 as its charging!!!

And the nail in the coffin will be the price of petrol, once new fossil fuelled car sales end in 2035 (that's definitely going to be amended downwards a great deal as tech and public pressure increases) the reduction in demand will cause unprecedented price hikes and almost no availability.
 
mcbutler said:
Silverstar said:
Interesting video which reinforces my view that IC engined cars aren't going anywhere for a few years yet, well at least not in my lifetime I don't think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hatav_Rdnno
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Did not watch all of this as it was getting a bit tedious.

I am going to presume that he does not mention that only around a max of 30% of the petrol is turned to useable energy, the rest is lost as heat in the cooling system via friction/exhaust etc. Interestingly the more power an IC engine produces the more efficient it is!!
In addition in my recent trolling around youtube it soon becomes apparent that many new battery technologies are on the horizon that will increase range substantially while reducing weight and size (less weight adds to range/performance), even one that traps C02 as its charging!!!

And the nail in the coffin will be the price of petrol, once new fossil fuelled car sales end in 2035 (that's definitely going to be amended downwards a great deal as tech and public pressure increases) the reduction in demand will cause unprecedented price hikes and almost no availability.
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Even if it happens as you say it will happen, it isn't going to happen in the timescale you think it will. There are way too many people out there with older cars who cannot afford to buy new cars and many more who do not live in accommodation that allows them to charge cars at their homes. We can revisit this topic in 15 years and see what has happened LOL.
 
I think the more artisanal car brands will continue to develop internal combustion engines, for the enthusiast.

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Porsche etc. These brands would all be a little soul-less with out the roar of an engine.

I know some have made some very powerful electric cars.

I believe there will always be an enthusiast market for limited production ICE sports cars. Its the mass market and freight which needs to be electric. Taking a 458 out on the occasional sunny weekend will not harm the planet.

In this vein of reasoning, the Z4 whilst shouldn't be compared to super cars, but is a pretty looking and great GT car, and one day, enthusiasts will purchase them.

As they become more rare, their value will increase.

Time scales for this is well past the 20 years mark, and no one should buy an E89 as an investment.
 
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