[ref]Stevo1987[/ref], Thanks, they are both OK for the age. The silver 3.0si really needs a proper re-spray but it's difficult to justify for the age and mileage. I'll get them both to a good standard, the blue 2.2 will go when I'm happy that it. Not sure about the si yet. Still working on oily bits but I did give it a good clean and decontamination today, it was very grubby indeed