Why do I fear the Zed?
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mmm-five said:Breaker said:What about the new SPECS cameras they are going to install when the new 50MPH limit supposedly comes in next year? They will monitor your speed over 6 miles!! You'll have to floor it for a couple of miles then either sit is a lay-by for a while or turn off the road before you get to the second camera!!
To cover every 'nice' country road will require a lot of money and a lot of time to fit all these cameras.
I'd estimate 10 years to do the whole job, and it'll be reversed once Labour is out of power - hence it'll never get done
I hope your right!
mmm-five said:Breaker said:What about the new SPECS cameras they are going to install when the new 50MPH limit supposedly comes in next year? They will monitor your speed over 6 miles!! You'll have to floor it for a couple of miles then either sit is a lay-by for a while or turn off the road before you get to the second camera!!
To cover every 'nice' country road will require a lot of money and a lot of time to fit all these cameras.
I'd estimate 10 years to do the whole job, and it'll be reversed once Labour is out of power - hence it'll never get done
Haha, that is such an amusing proposal that you just know it's Labour 'dreaming'
The bits on rural roads where people die are where people think '60mph is safe, it's under the speed limit, zombie mode on' while infact the speed is possibly more appropriate down at 20mph (ie they should be driving to the conditions, not the limit)!
No doubt next month they'll be planning the first Labour space station or something equally dumb :lol:
Sorry mate and no offence meant here - but this thread is just funny.
I know you've explained your comments but to start off saying you fear the Z and the end result is to say you might change to an M is just bizarre.
To me - it doesn't seem like you 'fear' the car or anything. My opinion is you don't like the car you currently have for whatever reason that may be. If I was you, I'd get rid of the car and get something else, even if that was the M you talk of. Wouldn't bother wasting money on modding a car you don't feel right in.
And as others have mentioned, these don't really need 'modding' as such.
As I say, no offence meant but thats my two penneth.
I know you've explained your comments but to start off saying you fear the Z and the end result is to say you might change to an M is just bizarre.
To me - it doesn't seem like you 'fear' the car or anything. My opinion is you don't like the car you currently have for whatever reason that may be. If I was you, I'd get rid of the car and get something else, even if that was the M you talk of. Wouldn't bother wasting money on modding a car you don't feel right in.
And as others have mentioned, these don't really need 'modding' as such.
As I say, no offence meant but thats my two penneth.
I dont get whats is so hard to understand!
The SI and M are different in many ways, The M to me is easier to handle than the SI!!! When I say I fear the Zed, I kinda mean MY ZED! Which in this case is the 3.0si, and it just so happens that I feel uneasy with the car...
As fo Modding, as my previous comments stated, the only modding I will be doing is changing the tyres, which to eveyone else on the forum is a positive thing, not a waste of money...
As for simply not liking the car, you maybe right, I dont like how I FEAR to go round corners as quick as I did in my VXR!
The SI and M are different in many ways, The M to me is easier to handle than the SI!!! When I say I fear the Zed, I kinda mean MY ZED! Which in this case is the 3.0si, and it just so happens that I feel uneasy with the car...
As fo Modding, as my previous comments stated, the only modding I will be doing is changing the tyres, which to eveyone else on the forum is a positive thing, not a waste of money...
As for simply not liking the car, you maybe right, I dont like how I FEAR to go round corners as quick as I did in my VXR!
senwar said:
I feel that too.
t20alu, you keep comparing it to the Astra VXR, which 'beats' your Z4... and/or comparing it to other cars purely on a road speed metric, despite you being fresh and new to the car where it will always feel slow until you get into the groove with it. In pure performance terms an Evo VII or even a Civic Type R would leave a Z4 for dead on most roads with a good driver, only a very good experienced driver would make use of the Z4's potential, if at all, on the road. The appeal of the Z4 should come from more than comparisons with hot hatches or rally reps etc
You have modded the suspension with cheap aftermarket springs possibly making it less nice before you even know what it's like normally. That could well be a problem now without you even realising it
It could well be that the suspension and RFT's have just compounded the problems which makes the M Z4 stand out so much better. Revert to OEM, ditch the RFT Bridgestones, and see what you think
Personally I think you have got a lovely example of a Z4, in a nice colour combo! I'd leave it alone otherwise you'll hurt it's resale value, and learn to enjoy it for what it is!
To be honest, your comments will seem odd to many people - they certainly do to me. I've had a 2.5 before I had my M and I took me a while to get used to the complete difference I felt of the M (power delivery, stability etc). It just seems odd that you fear your own car thats all. I know if I feared how my 2.5 drove I probably wouldn't have even considered the M.t20lau said:
I wouldn't really class changing tyres as modding a car. You did actually say 'wait and see' to mods too.
Anyway, you know in your own mind what you want to do. Hope you choose whichever you feel is best.
Mr Whippy said:senwar said:
I feel that too.
t20alu, you keep comparing it to the Astra VXR, which 'beats' your Z4... and/or comparing it to other cars purely on a road speed metric, despite you being fresh and new to the car where it will always feel slow until you get into the groove with it. In pure performance terms an Evo VII or even a Civic Type R would leave a Z4 for dead on most roads with a good driver, only a very good experienced driver would make use of the Z4's potential, if at all, on the road. The appeal of the Z4 should come from more than comparisons with hot hatches or rally reps etc
You have modded the suspension with cheap aftermarket springs possibly making it less nice before you even know what it's like normally. That could well be a problem now without you even realising it
It could well be that the suspension and RFT's have just compounded the problems which makes the M Z4 stand out so much better. Revert to OEM, ditch the RFT Bridgestones, and see what you think
Personally I think you have got a lovely example of a Z4, in a nice colour combo! I'd leave it alone otherwise you'll hurt it's resale value, and learn to enjoy it for what it is!
Dont want to go round in cirles, but like I said I'll ONLY be changing the tyres in terms of modding! Else I'll just CHANGE to a Z4M! Hope this is clear, there ISNT anymore modding involved!
ALSO "As for simply not liking the car, you maybe right, I dont like how I FEAR to go round corners as quick as I did in my VXR!"
I do love the Z4, Infact I love MY Z4, the colour, the look, the seats, everything, I never said I dont like it, I guess I just wish I could throw it around like the VXR!
You seems still suprised the Z4 is beaten by the VXR, yet you comment that a TypeR would leave the Z4 for dead, Well my VXR was quicker than the TypeR so this might shed light on how MY VXR beats MY Z4 (highlighting the MY as I dont want ppl telling me stories of how the tanned a VXR...I'm purely comparing my own cars)!
Maybe its a good idea to draw a close to this, we are simply going in circles, I have stated the above 3-4 times now!
Lets hope these springs although cheaper than the BMW ones dont break like the BMW ones!!!
Breaker said:Mention things you don't like about the Z4M, then see the responses you get!
I dont like the gear knob, why does it not illuminate all the number etc...or is my mates just broken
:rofl:Also, I dont like MY MATES...MY MATES Aftermarket exhaust, its way too loud! As in when you are doing 30mph in 3rd gear you cant talk to each other!!!
t20lau said:
Not surprised at all, but again, what does 'beaten' mean. In point to point on the road, with you driving, the VXR is quicker, it's going to be, being a fwd hot hatch sitting higher, softer, a more stable chassis setup, with more bhp/tonne.
Sorry, I thought you had already fitted the PI lowering springs when you got the car, and are now judging the car on modded suspension!?
Is your car currently totally standard, or is your signature inaccurate?
Confused
Mr Whippy said:t20lau said:
Not surprised at all, but again, what does 'beaten' mean. In point to point on the road, with you driving, the VXR is quicker, it's going to be, being a fwd hot hatch sitting higher, softer, a more stable chassis setup, with more bhp/tonne.
Sorry, I thought you had already fitted the PI lowering springs when you got the car, and are now judging the car on modded suspension!?
Is your car currently totally standard, or is your signature inaccurate?
Confused
When I say beaten I simply mean the VXR with go round corners quicker! In a straight line the VXR keeps up to a certain point 80ish mph, then the Z4 takes over, I did a test on a private strech and the Z4 was able to reach a higher speed in the same distance, but from a stand still theres nothing init will about 80ish!
The lowering springs where fitted after I got the car, so I know how the car feels STOCK! The changes where simply, less roll in corners and looks nicer! Nothing much else TBH!
The car, is still running with Aftermarket Springs, however, I will be getting rid of the RFT soon, then hopefully all with be better, in terms off Tramlining, maybe the car will give me more confidence on cornering!? We'll see...
All I was getting at was that making a fundamental change like lowering within a week of getting the car new before you have even exercised the full handling envelope, and then judging the car again next to an M model before exercising the full performance envelope with the new changed springs, won't leave you being able to say much at all about the 3.0Si's setup at all.
All I'm saying is that I bet if you went back to standard now you would start to learn that it has plenty of benefits. Being lower/stiffer pretty much does nothing for the car unless it will live almost exclusively on track.
The changes were not simply less roll in corners and nicer looking, you will have changed camber and toe at all four corners, and the rate of change of toe/camber at all four corners for any given lateral/longitudinal acceleration... being stiffer it will also transfer it's weight more quickly to inputs, while now being under-damped at slower shaft speeds, possibly leading to more elastic behaviour and less uncontrolled spring forces in slow shaft speed handling (ie, normal steady state change handling like cornering etc)
Like I say, not having a go, suspension isn't as simple as lower = better handling but a bit stiffer and more uncomfortable.
You simply cannot judge, at all, on the 3.0Si's handling, when you have put aftermarket springs on the car without even matching dampers or checking alignment afterwards. It's a bit unfair to judge the car on potentially poor mods after only 1 month of ownership.
Dave
All I'm saying is that I bet if you went back to standard now you would start to learn that it has plenty of benefits. Being lower/stiffer pretty much does nothing for the car unless it will live almost exclusively on track.
The changes were not simply less roll in corners and nicer looking, you will have changed camber and toe at all four corners, and the rate of change of toe/camber at all four corners for any given lateral/longitudinal acceleration... being stiffer it will also transfer it's weight more quickly to inputs, while now being under-damped at slower shaft speeds, possibly leading to more elastic behaviour and less uncontrolled spring forces in slow shaft speed handling (ie, normal steady state change handling like cornering etc)
Like I say, not having a go, suspension isn't as simple as lower = better handling but a bit stiffer and more uncomfortable.
You simply cannot judge, at all, on the 3.0Si's handling, when you have put aftermarket springs on the car without even matching dampers or checking alignment afterwards. It's a bit unfair to judge the car on potentially poor mods after only 1 month of ownership.
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Point taken, this is why all along I have been only saying I FEAR my Zed!!! I'm not saying the car is Sh1t full stop, I know what lowering is would have done, but on the road, to me right now, its not the much different! The handling of the car originally wasnt much better, infact it was then when I had my near miss on a round about...
The lowering happened 3weeks after I got the car...I've only have it lowered a couple of weeks!
I do understand what you are saying...
You see the main reason for all the changes I mad was mainly because I just didnt want to jump out of my Modded VXR into a Stock Z4...I just loved the lower stance!
Hm, don't know if you addressed this or not, but did you have the sport button engaged or not when you were having the oversteer problems??? Doesn't change the damping rates, but it does affect the steering effort. If not engaged, try it as it will require you to put more into it to drive and you won't get the front end around as quickly. Just a thought.....
Lowering a car will mean it rides the bump stops quicker too, which of course are considered when the car is setup, but probably not as much when lowered.
Again, without knowing the OEM setup it's hard to know how lowering will effect it, but a snappy oversteer is easily evident by knocking into bumpstops causing a sudden and much more rapid weight transfer at that axle... so rear wheel bump can = snap(pier) oversteer.
Don't mean to preach like an expert, I honestly am not, but lowering the car will compromise probably every single facet of the OEM setup for road use
Dave
Again, without knowing the OEM setup it's hard to know how lowering will effect it, but a snappy oversteer is easily evident by knocking into bumpstops causing a sudden and much more rapid weight transfer at that axle... so rear wheel bump can = snap(pier) oversteer.
Don't mean to preach like an expert, I honestly am not, but lowering the car will compromise probably every single facet of the OEM setup for road use
Dave
