Why didn't M's come as Auto?
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You mean the DCT would be faster ? For you and I, yes. For Jenson Button ? Possibly not, but that's because of his skills in addition to changing gears. I think the point above about DCT allowing more focus on the track makes sense... But as I am not a track boy then I don't know for sure outside the odd corporate track day I have done.
However, the ///M is a manual, so I guess I'll have to stick a short weighted ///M knob in mine and put up with it. When I have one of course
However, the ///M is a manual, so I guess I'll have to stick a short weighted ///M knob in mine and put up with it. When I have one of course
I admit I am very passionate about this subject but twin clutches/autos just don't float my boat, our TT is a twin clutch & it's about as exciting to drive as watching paint dry! & the fact that the ZM was only a manual box makes me very happy 
When I was looking to buy my M3 I never in the slightest considered the DCT box & don't get me wrong everyone loves them bar me & PVR
my M3 just had to be a manual but trying to find a M3 with a manual box was a different story the world has gone mad doesn't anyone enjoy the interaction between man & machine anymore?
Long live three pedals imho, autos/twin clutches are great for heavy commuting & big mileage but for anything else they should be banned!
When I was looking to buy my M3 I never in the slightest considered the DCT box & don't get me wrong everyone loves them bar me & PVR
my M3 just had to be a manual but trying to find a M3 with a manual box was a different story the world has gone mad doesn't anyone enjoy the interaction between man & machine anymore? Long live three pedals imho, autos/twin clutches are great for heavy commuting & big mileage but for anything else they should be banned!
Bing said:You mean the DCT would be faster ? For you and I, yes. For Jenson Button ? Possibly not, but that's because of his skills in addition to changing gears. I think the point above about DCT allowing more focus on the track makes sense... But as I am not a track boy then I don't know for sure outside the odd corporate track day I have done.
However, the ///M is a manual, so I guess I'll have to stick a short weighted ///M knob in mine and put up with it. When I have one of course
I could be wrong here but i think the DCT will actually be faster then any human in a manual, as it basically has the second gear waiting and ready, which is faster then even the most skilled driver :?
Personally i like a manual even if it is slower... And being able to go bouncy bouncy at the traffic lights with the handbrake and clutch to wind up the GF :lol: :evil:
DCT is certainly faster I agree but is it that much fun? I would rather have a manual & enjoy the interaction than just stick my foot down & hold on!aquazi said:Bing said:You mean the DCT would be faster ? For you and I, yes. For Jenson Button ? Possibly not, but that's because of his skills in addition to changing gears. I think the point above about DCT allowing more focus on the track makes sense... But as I am not a track boy then I don't know for sure outside the odd corporate track day I have done.
However, the ///M is a manual, so I guess I'll have to stick a short weighted ///M knob in mine and put up with it. When I have one of course
I could be wrong here but i think the DCT will actually be faster then any human in a manual, as it basically has the second gear waiting and ready, which is faster then even the most skilled driver :?
Personally i like a manual even if it is slower... And being able to go bouncy bouncy at the traffic lights with the handbrake and clutch to wind up the GF :lol: :evil:
It's good that cars cater for both tastes though
I see posts about the DCT box. I thought the E85/86 had either the full torque converter auto with the sport mode. Or totally manual.
I don't care for the auto for one reason. They don't always get it right. My wife's 328 has the auto in it. There are times when it gets caught out and doesn't seem to know what to do. And then promptly shifts up as I lightly give it the beans. I made a comment to the wife that it seems to shift like an American auto trans. I.E. I must I must at all costs always be in high gear. Upon researching this. Guess what? The full auto trans in a BMW IS sourced from GM. So no thanks.
I don't care for the auto for one reason. They don't always get it right. My wife's 328 has the auto in it. There are times when it gets caught out and doesn't seem to know what to do. And then promptly shifts up as I lightly give it the beans. I made a comment to the wife that it seems to shift like an American auto trans. I.E. I must I must at all costs always be in high gear. Upon researching this. Guess what? The full auto trans in a BMW IS sourced from GM. So no thanks.
Adelphi2 said:
If you read the above comments you'll see that it was because the autobox wouldn't fit, well infact BMW didn't want to spend anymore money in development?
I read somewhere that the Z4M was made from left over, pre produced parts from various other M's? So I guess the Z4M filled the target market at very little trouble and cost?
Again this from what I have read in this and previous threads, so correct me if I'm wrong
Not for a millisecond.Stark said:
Only auto I have ever owned was a Porsche 928S4 and, while in many ways it the best car that I have ever owned (even eclipsing my 911 is some area), it was the auto box that made me part with it.
I buy cars because I want to drive them.
This will like all things go full circle I guarantee it, the manual will be phased out and eventually good manual sports cars may become more desirable but I bet my bottom dollar at some point the manual will become popular again, I have a twin clutch car and it's great, but Thier is nothing like rowing through the gears manually and getting it right!!
The Porsche PDk system is utterly wonderful......
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The Porsche PDk system is utterly wonderful......
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Would not have even looked at an auto M - my daily driver is very comfy and has a great auto box- fantastic long distance tourer . I want the weekend car to be a pure driving delight , to an extent the delight in a car like the M is you have to drive it.
I think they pitched the two cars correctly the 3.0 in Auto form gents sports car - and a very good one at that. The M a car which was back to basics- this was how Plato reviewed It an old fashioned bruiser.
I think they pitched the two cars correctly the 3.0 in Auto form gents sports car - and a very good one at that. The M a car which was back to basics- this was how Plato reviewed It an old fashioned bruiser.
I wouldn't have had my ///M if it was an auto I would have looked for a manual, I have driven auto's in the past, Boxsters, 911's, M5 and theres no doubting the press and go element made them very easy to drive they all reminded me of my old A6, ideal for town driving not getting stuck in 
Just lately iv'e not been getting as much pleasure from my TV as i used to do so decided to throw away the remote & do a manual channel change with the buttons on the side . Man what a difference I feel connected again & its much more involving & rewarding
Enjoy your gears folks however they change
I feel connected again & its much more involving & rewarding Enjoy your gears folks however they change
Most automatics (and I think that includes all bmw ones also) don't allow accelerating until the revlimiter, even in maual mode (it will shift up!).
That's not very performance orientated. Also because of the torque converter, you will have a loss during acceleration (higher gears will lock up), and you have a hydraulic pump running constanly using up power. And they're heavier. In an acceleration 0-60mph this all can cost you up to 20% less performance.
/m stands for performance, and an conventional automatic doesn't fit that description in any way...
Thats why :lol:
I wonder if the DCT let's you rev until the revlimiter in manual mode; I haven't tested one yet (but i'd love to).
I have seen Volkswagen DSG's sometimes being slow for probably not knowing which gears to choose (very slow downshifting). I wonder if the DCT has that problem too in some situations.
That's not very performance orientated. Also because of the torque converter, you will have a loss during acceleration (higher gears will lock up), and you have a hydraulic pump running constanly using up power. And they're heavier. In an acceleration 0-60mph this all can cost you up to 20% less performance.
/m stands for performance, and an conventional automatic doesn't fit that description in any way...
Thats why :lol:
I wonder if the DCT let's you rev until the revlimiter in manual mode; I haven't tested one yet (but i'd love to).
I have seen Volkswagen DSG's sometimes being slow for probably not knowing which gears to choose (very slow downshifting). I wonder if the DCT has that problem too in some situations.