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[Justino]

Looking into which oil to use, I discovered that Shell is now the approved oil used by dealers, and the M oil is 10w60 Helix racing ultra repalcing TWS which is slowly running out of stock. The replacement Titanium FST I believe is the same oil, renamed but without the BMW M model endorsement on the container.

However I don't like the look of the Shell replacement after a heat test seen here - not good at all.

http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/foru...erformance/general-tech/48147-engine-oil-test

 

[Beedub]

justino as your interested in oil, I'm one of the few that have been taking oil analysis, my first sample was send a week ago.... if you interested I'm happy to share the result here in this thread. The car has 12k miles, mixed use but mostly high rev work with the added stress of a supercharger.

 

[Adam D]

Castrol Edge Titanium FST has the same properties as TWS on the datasheet and is M approved. Note TWS has a good cold pour viscosity for a 10W-60 and being road cars in the main its desirable to circulate well from cold where wear is most likely.

 

[gwatson]

justino as your interested in oil, I'm one of the few that have been taking oil analysis, my first sample was send a week ago.... if you interested I'm happy to share the result here in this thread. The car has 12k miles, mixed use but mostly high rev work with the added stress of a supercharger.

What's the cost on this Beedub and who provides the service? Would be interested in this now I'm passing 60k miles. How much oil is required for a sample?

 

[Beedub]

justino as your interested in oil, I'm one of the few that have been taking oil analysis, my first sample was send a week ago.... if you interested I'm happy to share the result here in this thread. The car has 12k miles, mixed use but mostly high rev work with the added stress of a supercharger.

What's the cost on this Beedub and who provides the service? Would be interested in this now I'm passing 60k miles. How much oil is required for a sample?

I'm using http://www.blackstone-labs.com these guys will build a file on your samples and start to track issues, they can also tell you loads about the conditions of your engine in general and areas that you MAY need to address, I'm mainly doing to keep an eye on my rod bearings, as soon as i start seeing raised lead readings ill be stripping out the shells.

you would DEFO benefit from this, particularly if you plan to keep the car for a while.

 

[gwatson]

Bargain, no brainer at that price!!! So yeah I think I'll do this, unless your pending GTS review sends me off to the Porsche showroom

 

[Beedub]

Bargain, no brainer at that price!!! So yeah I think I'll do this, unless your pending GTS review sends me off to the Porsche showroom

i have a feeling the GTS is going to painfully sucker punch me into seeing just how far things have moved on!!! I'm hoping I'm wrong. you NEED to ring sutton oldfield op and ask them to send you pics of the red 0 mile car in the show room, it is bordering exotica. 67k however!!! literally carbon dripping off this thing... WANT!!

 

[gwatson]

Must be some spec at £67K, even my fantasy spec is just shy of £60k and that's with PTV, Sports Suspension, Bucket Seats, PDK, Bose, black wheels...

When do you collect the demo car?

 

[Beedub]

Must be some spec at £67K, even my fantasy spec is just shy of £60k and that's with PTV, Sports Suspension, Bucket Seats, PDK, Bose, black wheels...

When do you collect the demo car?

next week wednesday !!! PDK with all the bits, ill be bring the DSLR for that one, i will take literally hundreds of pics of every single detail.

 

[Justino]

justino as your interested in oil, I'm one of the few that have been taking oil analysis, my first sample was send a week ago.... if you interested I'm happy to share the result here in this thread. The car has 12k miles, mixed use but mostly high rev work with the added stress of a supercharger.

Beedub, apologies for not responding sooner to your offer - yes i would be very interested in this, I've seen an American Z4M owner who had his oil analysed every time, which seems such a good way of early diagnosis of issues, eg crank bearing shells. It seems in the US there is much more of a culture to do DIY on cars, perhaps its because they do 'car shop' at school as a subject.

I guess the issue for me is the oil change will be a dealer one for this service, so how to get a sample, and how much is needed? This service is due as its 2 years since the last service, not mileage related. The Inspection II service is due next, which I will go to a renowned indy for, and thats when I will look at the oil type again, probably the Fuchs 10w 60. For this change I have ordered the Shell Helix 10w 60 so the dealerships cant claim its not the correct oil and refuse to use it, I save quite abit doing it this way.

 

[Mikey_Boy]

Guys - I need to chip in here with some relevant info. The date on that BMW Malaysia link needs to be taken into account, i.e. It's old!!! The latest Shell oils for BMW have undergone a major development since that article using something called PurePlus technology which is a game changer in the industry.

I also know that Shell is now the preferred supplier to BMW for both first fill, dealer and aftermarket. The deal wouldn't have been done without the right technical sign off so I wouldn't take the word of another forum as gospel... Oil formulations are changing all the time - the sign off criteria for an OEM is incredibly strict as there are legal and reputational implications for them as well as the technical parts.

Oil analysis is a great tool (I've used it extensively in my formula 1 days) but unless you track your car extensively I think it's a bit OTT honestly. Best way to protect an engine is to reduce the oil change period - best bit of pragmatic advice I heard recently was to change your oil twice as much as recommended but leave the filter in place, that is, just drop the oil and change at 6 months and let your garage do the 12 month change of oil and filter.

Whilst I understand there are potential rod bearing wear issues on M engines, the vast majority of engine wear is going to be on cold start. Plus, unless you are doing a full (and I mean FULL) oil analysis after every trackday, you won't catch your increased bearing wear until it's well developed or too late...

 

[CornishRob]

Guys - I need to chip in here with some relevant info. The date on that BMW Malaysia link needs to be taken into account, i.e. It's old!!! The latest Shell oils for BMW have undergone a major development since that article using something called PurePlus technology which is a game changer in the industry.

I also know that Shell is now the preferred supplier to BMW for both first fill, dealer and aftermarket. The deal wouldn't have been done without the right technical sign off so I wouldn't take the word of another forum as gospel... Oil formulations are changing all the time - the sign off criteria for an OEM is incredibly strict as there are legal and reputational implications for them as well as the technical parts.

Oil analysis is a great tool (I've used it extensively in my formula 1 days) but unless you track your car extensively I think it's a bit OTT honestly. Best way to protect an engine is to reduce the oil change period - best bit of pragmatic advice I heard recently was to change your oil twice as much as recommended but leave the filter in place, that is, just drop the oil and change at 6 months and let your garage do the 12 month change of oil and filter.

Whilst I understand there are potential rod bearing wear issues on M engines, the vast majority of engine wear is going to be on cold start. Plus, unless you are doing a full (and I mean FULL) oil analysis after every trackday, you won't catch your increased bearing wear until it's well developed or too late...

Isn't the issue though that the S54 is an old engine, and was developed at the time with Castrol.

I'm sure She'll haven't gone back and tested the S54?

I expect however if the new shell has the same properties, then it will be fine and probably better as you say as the game has moved on. A cynic would say however that it's just a commercial decision!

 

[Darren M]

Bargain, no brainer at that price!!! So yeah I think I'll do this, unless your pending GTS review sends me off to the Porsche showroom

i have a feeling the GTS is going to painfully sucker punch me into seeing just how far things have moved on!!! I'm hoping I'm wrong. you NEED to ring sutton oldfield op and ask them to send you pics of the red 0 mile car in the show room, it is bordering exotica. 67k however!!! literally carbon dripping off this thing... WANT!!

Will be interesting to read your thoughts. I was going to be testing one (whatever spec the dealer has) but not organised it yet with my nearest dealer. GTS would be a fantastic choice if you went for it!
I am really coming round to these latest PDK/DCT systems. Not as involving as a manual but have so many other positives going for them such as performance, economy, no muffed changes, fully auto around town or at other times if you want it, buying second hand you know someone will not have over-revved it by getting the wrong gear.

 

[Beedub]

Bargain, no brainer at that price!!! So yeah I think I'll do this, unless your pending GTS review sends me off to the Porsche showroom

i have a feeling the GTS is going to painfully sucker punch me into seeing just how far things have moved on!!! I'm hoping I'm wrong. you NEED to ring sutton oldfield op and ask them to send you pics of the red 0 mile car in the show room, it is bordering exotica. 67k however!!! literally carbon dripping off this thing... WANT!!

Will be interesting to read your thoughts. I was going to be testing one (whatever spec the dealer has) but not organised it yet with my nearest dealer. GTS would be a fantastic choice if you went for it!
I am really coming round to these latest PDK/DCT systems. Not as involving as a manual but have so many other positives going for them such as performance, economy, no muffed changes, fully auto around town or at other times if you want it, buying second hand you know someone will not have over-revved it by getting the wrong gear.

i haven't been back to collect the car yet as it was being repaired and since i just haven't had the time to get up their really, however ill give ben a call over the weekend and see whats whats.

Excuse the thread derail.