What is wrong with some people?
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if I had been something like acid.bluestreak56 said:
Agree with that, my parents were never afraid to give me a good hiding, belt or slipper etc, at school I was slapped across the chops by a games teacher, at primary you would get the board rubber thrown at your head if you spoke out of turn. I'm not saying voilence is the answer but it kept me in line and thankful for it. Too much mamby pamby now.
As I said earlier kids/youths were as bad in the 50s and 60s, they had their gangs and knife fights just like today.
Tim.
I feel your pain.
I had some utter bellends at my college who decided to leave their ice cream all over my windscreen on a nice hot summers day.
As you can imagine after cleaning it up I rushed home to take the whole front end off to clean the areas when the ice cream ran into.
Would have probably been expelled if I found out who did it.
I had some utter bellends at my college who decided to leave their ice cream all over my windscreen on a nice hot summers day.
As you can imagine after cleaning it up I rushed home to take the whole front end off to clean the areas when the ice cream ran into.
Would have probably been expelled if I found out who did it.
Finisterre said:
Good idea, throw a few raw fish at them.
Ask a teacher eh. . . after 32 years in a large city comprehensive I'll respond. . .
Despite what we might believe, behaviour of certain groups has always been deemed poor by successive generations - check history and the description of youths in the 1800s - sounds very like the concerns of today. Each decade in the 20th century has had its worries and anxieties over the youth of their day.
The next issue is how much has society changed in the last 40 years, the last 20, the last 10? What are young people facing today that the previous generations did not face - think about how families have changed, marriage, birth complex relationships. Think about media TV films music, think about information and computer electronics communications - the world is very different to the one we and you grew up in.
This does not excuse poor behaviour however BUT if you want to understand where such behaviour might originate - how do adults behave? Noticed any deterioration in their behaviour - then consider learnt behaviour - where does the behaviour come from?
The great news is that the vast majority of young people remain brilliant and great to work with year after year in schools. The more demanding aspect is that we can no longer expect compliant, deferential students in class - if you want thinking, questioning young people with confidence (which is what business always asks for) you can't have it both ways.
Then there are a relatively small group of very challenging young people who are lost in the system and sometimes society - facing issues they did not create and demands that we might not be prepared to put up with but they have to cope with - simply belting them will not work anymore (did it ever?) - the situation is far more complex.
But be assured that our society would not operate without the compliance of the majority and in the main I am amazed at how settled society appears. Behaviour such as that shown by the person on the bike is a rarity - it isn't everyday this happens to you - never happened to me.
I am NOT excusing such behaviour but trying to understand how it comes about. I think we should recognise the many positive responses and behaviours which occur daily - you seldom get to hear about that. Perhaps highlighting that more would have a greater effect than responding to the selfish childish behaviour of a tiny minority.
And I do believe in punishment - certainty rather than severity works best however and so does a reality check - what a lot of young people see as having a laugh can be viewed very differently by others, there is a need to point this out.
This was a dangerous and stupid act of wilful behaviour which caused alarm, distress and harassment and as such you have my support and I believe the person responsible should face a suitable punishment but let's keep in mind how lucky we are that the vast majority are on side. It can be brilliant working in schools but it is more difficult than it used to be - not all as a result of the young people attending but as a result of the challenges and demands we all face.
Despite what we might believe, behaviour of certain groups has always been deemed poor by successive generations - check history and the description of youths in the 1800s - sounds very like the concerns of today. Each decade in the 20th century has had its worries and anxieties over the youth of their day.
The next issue is how much has society changed in the last 40 years, the last 20, the last 10? What are young people facing today that the previous generations did not face - think about how families have changed, marriage, birth complex relationships. Think about media TV films music, think about information and computer electronics communications - the world is very different to the one we and you grew up in.
This does not excuse poor behaviour however BUT if you want to understand where such behaviour might originate - how do adults behave? Noticed any deterioration in their behaviour - then consider learnt behaviour - where does the behaviour come from?
The great news is that the vast majority of young people remain brilliant and great to work with year after year in schools. The more demanding aspect is that we can no longer expect compliant, deferential students in class - if you want thinking, questioning young people with confidence (which is what business always asks for) you can't have it both ways.
Then there are a relatively small group of very challenging young people who are lost in the system and sometimes society - facing issues they did not create and demands that we might not be prepared to put up with but they have to cope with - simply belting them will not work anymore (did it ever?) - the situation is far more complex.
But be assured that our society would not operate without the compliance of the majority and in the main I am amazed at how settled society appears. Behaviour such as that shown by the person on the bike is a rarity - it isn't everyday this happens to you - never happened to me.
I am NOT excusing such behaviour but trying to understand how it comes about. I think we should recognise the many positive responses and behaviours which occur daily - you seldom get to hear about that. Perhaps highlighting that more would have a greater effect than responding to the selfish childish behaviour of a tiny minority.
And I do believe in punishment - certainty rather than severity works best however and so does a reality check - what a lot of young people see as having a laugh can be viewed very differently by others, there is a need to point this out.
This was a dangerous and stupid act of wilful behaviour which caused alarm, distress and harassment and as such you have my support and I believe the person responsible should face a suitable punishment but let's keep in mind how lucky we are that the vast majority are on side. It can be brilliant working in schools but it is more difficult than it used to be - not all as a result of the young people attending but as a result of the challenges and demands we all face.
Because people don't care.
My colleague last night, last minute shop at local petrol station tells me she blew her top at some bloke who she watched, wacked his car door into the side of hers. She confronted him to get the reply 'what's up?'
I remember listening to a Radio 4 program in which the presenter had some guests discussing mental illness, the one claiming that 90% of the population suffers from some sort of brain malfuntion. I thinks he was right.
My colleague last night, last minute shop at local petrol station tells me she blew her top at some bloke who she watched, wacked his car door into the side of hers. She confronted him to get the reply 'what's up?'
I remember listening to a Radio 4 program in which the presenter had some guests discussing mental illness, the one claiming that 90% of the population suffers from some sort of brain malfuntion. I thinks he was right.
The hairy angler
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paulgs1000 said:
Paul, well thought out, reasoned reply.As a retired teacher with almost 40 yrs teaching experience I recently wrote on this site about 2 youngsters who handed in my £300.00 mobile phone that I had dropped outside in a school bus Bay. They did not leave their names, they just did the right thing. There are scrotes in all sections of society but on the whole I feel the vast majority of youngsters will grow into reasonable adults!!
Regards, John Duggan, aka , The hairy angler.
The hairy angler said:
Well I'm glad someone took the time to read through it - thanks! I think you're right - the vast majority do indeed grow into reasonable adults.
(Hairy angler eh - retirement activity or long term passion?)
paulgs1000 said:
I don't think what they grow up to become was ever an issue? I am sure that the vast majority do indeed become reasonable and responsible adults.
Can you say with conviction that your time in the classroom has not become increasingly difficult over your forty years?
Ronk,
It has become more difficult and challenging definitely but not only because behaviour has deteriorated.
The demands on teachers has become different - it is far more of a challenge to stimulate and interest a group of youngsters.
Students are no longer quiet and compliant - their expectations are far higher.
League tables and Ofsted have increased demands on teachers.
Differentiation and detailed planning for progress with clear expectations and clear levels all add to the workload
Continuous assessment and accountability for progress all add stress and pressure.
I'm surprised the Teacher Unions aren't seeking far more time for planning and assessment. If teachers are to produce outstanding lessons (all clear expectations of Ofsted and management) then they need the time to plan, prepare and assess work. It can take hours to prepare an outstanding lesson using modern technology and materials and then thorough assessment takes even more time.
Teaching therefore expects 5 lessons a day be presented to differing audiences at good to outstanding levels and then most teachers spend at least 3 hours preparing and assessing work each evening. Heaven knows how young families cope these days - its like having two jobs.
So you are quite right - teaching is not the same job I started in the 70s but its because the world has changed not just the behaviour of the kids. Teaching is still a vocation and can offer a terrific career - but you need to be resilient and talented or the job will wear you out!
It has become more difficult and challenging definitely but not only because behaviour has deteriorated.
The demands on teachers has become different - it is far more of a challenge to stimulate and interest a group of youngsters.
Students are no longer quiet and compliant - their expectations are far higher.
League tables and Ofsted have increased demands on teachers.
Differentiation and detailed planning for progress with clear expectations and clear levels all add to the workload
Continuous assessment and accountability for progress all add stress and pressure.
I'm surprised the Teacher Unions aren't seeking far more time for planning and assessment. If teachers are to produce outstanding lessons (all clear expectations of Ofsted and management) then they need the time to plan, prepare and assess work. It can take hours to prepare an outstanding lesson using modern technology and materials and then thorough assessment takes even more time.
Teaching therefore expects 5 lessons a day be presented to differing audiences at good to outstanding levels and then most teachers spend at least 3 hours preparing and assessing work each evening. Heaven knows how young families cope these days - its like having two jobs.
So you are quite right - teaching is not the same job I started in the 70s but its because the world has changed not just the behaviour of the kids. Teaching is still a vocation and can offer a terrific career - but you need to be resilient and talented or the job will wear you out!
I know very well the demands placed upon teachers these days. Like you my wife taught at a tough secondary school for almost forty years and I was very much aware of the increasing demands placed upon her in her position. The increasing workloads, preparation and assesments.. The deterioration of attitude and behaviour of students over the generations she saw didnt help. Hence my original comment.
In no way was I blaming teachers for the lower standards of respect or attitude often displayed these days. (now I am starting to sound like my father)
Please dont mark punctuation, spelling or grammar. This is being typed onmy phone in a car on a bumpy road!
In no way was I blaming teachers for the lower standards of respect or attitude often displayed these days. (now I am starting to sound like my father)
Please dont mark punctuation, spelling or grammar. This is being typed onmy phone in a car on a bumpy road!
By and large it's not the teachers or schools that are the problem, it's the parents. Unfortunately too many of the scrotes do not develop into reasonable adults but still insist on breeding offspring they are incapable of 'parenting' to any acceptable level . . . . . . . . and thus the downwards spiral continues. The tales of woe my OH recounts about the unreasonable behaviour of the parents of the kids at her school are never ending!
ruggedscot
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Locally they had issues a few years ago with youngsters dropping bricks from a bridge on to the bypass onto vehicles below....
I heard that someone that got hit by a brick decided to go back to the spot and lay wait..... a couple of weeks past and eventually it happened. A few kids gathered then started dropping bricks and stones from the bridge. They got bored and started to walk back towards the town and got a rather nasty suprise.
The one dropping the bricks I believe got a hammering. with a brick.
twat got what he deserved. Would think twice about doing that again.....
I heard that someone that got hit by a brick decided to go back to the spot and lay wait..... a couple of weeks past and eventually it happened. A few kids gathered then started dropping bricks and stones from the bridge. They got bored and started to walk back towards the town and got a rather nasty suprise.
The one dropping the bricks I believe got a hammering. with a brick.
twat got what he deserved. Would think twice about doing that again.....
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