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goldbcfc said:
WOW you really got ripped off here not only did they not do a diagnostic the first time to even know the problem ie, abs sensor or pump fault etc. They just rest the problem light that's the oldest trick in the book knowing full well it will come back on. The ECU stores everything so this fault would have been logged on all the days it has appeared. If they had done a diagnostic check (basic mechanics) its really 1st thing a decent garage would do if not ripping you off knowing you will have to come back for further work. The job is something you could do yourself for free with a £30 c110 scanner off ebay or similar diagnostic machine. I'd heard of this place in Telford as I'm up the road but after seeing this post I'd never go there. Obviously people need to make a living but you have just paid alot of money for a what is a £20 sensor. I'd be curious to know what their labour rates are as I work for Volvo in Walsall we are a proper dealer and charge £65 per hour. The sensor is just a matter of taking your wheel off and unplugging the sensor my 6 year old daughter could do it if I showed her which size socket fits the bolt to undo it...........

all sorted I suppose now but you'll know for next time I just cant believe alarm bells wouldn't be ringing at £100 each sensor that's a huge profit for a 15 min job

I actually have a spare abs sensor too on ebay for sale for £11. You was well and truly robbed for a diy job you should be doing yourself really. It's about as hard a job as topping up your oil up I'm sure theres even plenty of video to show you on youtube......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222167104431?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
If you paid attention, you'd realise that I was refering DSC warning lights and DSC pressure sensors and not ABS sensors!

The diagnostics / checks were done last week as it happens and I was shown the full results and had a long discussion as to the faults and the way ahead!

The sensors that were replaced were the DSC pressure sensors on the individual front & rear brake circuits under the brake master cylinder and from Sopers they cost £109.19 each.

In future, please don't start waffling about being ripped off etc before understanding what is being referred to and the actual work / parts that was done. :poke:
no offense dude but these sensors are like £20 the fact you have a sig with 2 z4 in it and cant change a simple sensor is alarming Tbh

do u still have the part numbers so I can get a quote from our parts supplier im sure ive seen DSC pressure sensors for £20

The fact this garage tried to reset the light and send you off was bad enough without doing an diagnostic check first. Reminds me of the so called bmw specialist in Birmingham who quoted my sister £500 for new window motor. She bought her bmw X3 around and they hadn't even taken the door card off to look. Must have x ray eyes but turned out to be a £80 window regulator not £500 they quoted. You got to a specialist you pay special prices I guess. Anyway your car is sorted now over £200 on 2 sensors I think I will stick with £20 ones
 
DLH said:
Autotech Performance, near Telford, fitted 2 new sensors this morning @ £90.99 + VAT each (£218.38) plus some labour £22.75 + VAT (£27.30) and all now back to working normally.
I don't think that's a bad price ,I had the two sensors on the abs pump changed last year plus bleeding the brakes at SJR in Chester and it came to just over £300..This included diagnostic check.
 
goldbcfc said:
DLH said:
goldbcfc said:
WOW you really got ripped off here not only did they not do a diagnostic the first time to even know the problem ie, abs sensor or pump fault etc. They just rest the problem light that's the oldest trick in the book knowing full well it will come back on. The ECU stores everything so this fault would have been logged on all the days it has appeared. If they had done a diagnostic check (basic mechanics) its really 1st thing a decent garage would do if not ripping you off knowing you will have to come back for further work. The job is something you could do yourself for free with a £30 c110 scanner off ebay or similar diagnostic machine. I'd heard of this place in Telford as I'm up the road but after seeing this post I'd never go there. Obviously people need to make a living but you have just paid alot of money for a what is a £20 sensor. I'd be curious to know what their labour rates are as I work for Volvo in Walsall we are a proper dealer and charge £65 per hour. The sensor is just a matter of taking your wheel off and unplugging the sensor my 6 year old daughter could do it if I showed her which size socket fits the bolt to undo it...........

all sorted I suppose now but you'll know for next time I just cant believe alarm bells wouldn't be ringing at £100 each sensor that's a huge profit for a 15 min job

I actually have a spare abs sensor too on ebay for sale for £11. You was well and truly robbed for a diy job you should be doing yourself really. It's about as hard a job as topping up your oil up I'm sure theres even plenty of video to show you on youtube......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222167104431?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
If you paid attention, you'd realise that I was refering DSC warning lights and DSC pressure sensors and not ABS sensors!

The diagnostics / checks were done last week as it happens and I was shown the full results and had a long discussion as to the faults and the way ahead!

The sensors that were replaced were the DSC pressure sensors on the individual front & rear brake circuits under the brake master cylinder and from Sopers they cost £109.19 each.

In future, please don't start waffling about being ripped off etc before understanding what is being referred to and the actual work / parts that was done. :poke:
no offense dude but these sensors are like £20 the fact you have a sig with 2 z4 in it and cant change a simple sensor is alarming Tbh

do u still have the part numbers so I can get a quote from our parts supplier im sure ive seen DSC pressure sensors for £20

The fact this garage tried to reset the light and send you off was bad enough without doing an diagnostic check first. Reminds me of the so called bmw specialist in Birmingham who quoted my sister £500 for new window motor. She bought her bmw X3 around and they hadn't even taken the door card off to look. Must have x ray eyes but turned out to be a £80 window regulator not £500 they quoted. You got to a specialist you pay special prices I guess. Anyway your car is sorted now over £200 on 2 sensors I think I will stick with £20 ones

Gold you really are a grade A ARSE,
Firstly you bore the pants off us with mutliple posts of the SAME/VIDS pictures of your car and you must have told us you have owned 3 E46's about a million times. No one takes you to task on your boring/repetive crap, we generally are too polite and have more class.
But responding to the OP in your smug bastard manner, I really have to say it, the sooner you sell your car and disappear the better, just bore off! You really are a forum rash, you get everywhere and no one wants you. These sensors are £90+ from BMW and aren't really available elsewhere, whether in the trade or not. They certainly aren't £20. You say you work at a Volvo Main Stealers, well all that means is you know how to fill in a bonus sheet, know nothing unless a computer or scanner tells you and charge the earth for items not replaced! The fact you work at a Main Stealers should be reason enough to have the mods ban you! :poke:
I certainly wouldn't come on a car forum and admit I worked at a shower of sh!te Main Dealer, if you think it gives you credibility more fool you! Anyone who truly knows anything about cars knows just how appalling they are!
 
goldbcfc said:
no offense dude but these sensors are like £20 the fact you have a sig with 2 z4 in it and cant change a simple sensor is alarming Tbh

do u still have the part numbers so I can get a quote from our parts supplier im sure ive seen DSC pressure sensors for £20

The fact this garage tried to reset the light and send you off was bad enough without doing an diagnostic check first. Reminds me of the so called bmw specialist in Birmingham who quoted my sister £500 for new window motor. She bought her bmw X3 around and they hadn't even taken the door card off to look. Must have x ray eyes but turned out to be a £80 window regulator not £500 they quoted. You got to a specialist you pay special prices I guess. Anyway your car is sorted now over £200 on 2 sensors I think I will stick with £20 ones
You're still getting it wrong!

Here's the timeline:
  • 1. Took the car in to Autotech and they did a diagnostic check and cleared the fault codes.

    2. They did a short test drive of about 1 mile and then discussed the fault codes, explained what they had done and advised that it was likely that the fault would return and quoted me for 2 brand new DSC pressure sensors with 30 minutes for fitting and bleeding the brakes.

    3. I then took the car out for a longer test drive myself and after about 5 miles the fault reappeared.

    4. I checked with Sopers and Rybrook BMW parts departments and they both quoted £109.19 per sensor. [part no 34.52.1.164.458]

    5. I contacted Autotech and they booked it in for this morning and now it's all sorted.
I would only ever fit brand new OEM parts and think that fitting £20 cheepos would be dangerous to say the least and you will not find genuine BMW DCS sensors for £20!
 
MACK said:
Gold you really are a grade A ARSE,
Firstly you bore the pants off us with mutliple posts of the SAME/VIDS pictures of your car and you must have told us you have owned 3 E46's about a million times. No one takes you to task on your boring/repetive crap, we generally are too polite and have more class.
But responding to the OP in your smug bastard manner, I really have to say it, the sooner you sell your car and disappear the better, just bore off! You really are a forum rash, you get everywhere and no one wants you. These sensors are £90+ from BMW and aren't really available elsewhere, whether in the trade or not. They certainly aren't £20. You say you work at a Volvo Main Stealers, well all that means is you know how to fill in a bonus sheet, know nothing unless a computer or scanner tells you and charge the earth for items not replaced! The fact you work at a Main Stealers should be reason enough to have the mods ban you! :poke:
I certainly wouldn't come on a car forum and admit I worked at a shower of sh!te Main Dealer, if you think it gives you credibility more fool you! Anyone who truly knows anything about cars knows just how appalling they are!
Thanks MACK.

Is it true that E46's are like Hemorrhoids in that, given time, every ar$ehole gets one? :P
 
DLH said:
MACK said:
Gold you really are a grade A ARSE,
Firstly you bore the pants off us with mutliple posts of the SAME/VIDS pictures of your car and you must have told us you have owned 3 E46's about a million times. No one takes you to task on your boring/repetive crap, we generally are too polite and have more class.
But responding to the OP in your smug bastard manner, I really have to say it, the sooner you sell your car and disappear the better, just bore off! You really are a forum rash, you get everywhere and no one wants you. These sensors are £90+ from BMW and aren't really available elsewhere, whether in the trade or not. They certainly aren't £20. You say you work at a Volvo Main Stealers, well all that means is you know how to fill in a bonus sheet, know nothing unless a computer or scanner tells you and charge the earth for items not replaced! The fact you work at a Main Stealers should be reason enough to have the mods ban you! :poke:
I certainly wouldn't come on a car forum and admit I worked at a shower of sh!te Main Dealer, if you think it gives you credibility more fool you! Anyone who truly knows anything about cars knows just how appalling they are!
Thanks MACK.

Is it true that E46's are like Hemorrhoids in that, given time, every ar$ehole gets one? :P
I work in a garage, if we quote a price on a job using oem parts you get 2 year warranty fitted by an authorised dealer. Just like you would buying oem parts at BMW its no different. If the price is too high the customer may then ask for a quote on a non genuine part to suit their budget. New vehicles will be under manufacturers 5 year warranty and automatically get genuine oem parts as we claim the money back from dealer. As your part was not fitted by dealer you have a 12m warranty on a oem part. The same 12m warranty as a non genuine part but at fraction of the cost. BMW and VOLVO don't make oem parts there supplier will be a no frills company who supply many other manufacturers too the parts are just reboxed etc. Of course they will be aftermarket stuff out there which is a poor cheap standard but generally in the trade aftermarket parts are widely used being cheaper. A perfect example is a company called Roadlink in Wolverhampton they reline our Volvo truck oem brakes shoes. The castings are sent there, they reline them and a white Volvo mark is printed on them. We then sell it to a customer as oem part but the aftermarket ones we sell cheaper without the Volvo mark meet the same spec. Now in this same factory they supply all brands of brakes from pagid,jurid,brembo,mintex etc. Whilst you see the brand name you may recognise on the box they are made actually by these smaller less well known companies and just reboxed to suit customer. These big name brands will work alongside the manufacturer to make the spec brake shoe they require. So your oem sensor will be no different to a aftermarket one as these specs have to match on testing to be able to sell it. So the way i see it you have two groups of people, those who buy car for status and know very little how to maintain them so think a dealer is the only option. Then there's others who service their own cars and maintain them using the best parts doesn't mean they have to be oem. Take Meyle HD for example its a brand that offers a 4 yr warranty better than any bmw oem bmw part does being only 2yr fitted by dealer or 12m fitted yourself. Just because something has a bmw logo doesn't make it better doesn't even make it more reliable being more expensive either. Racing is a ood example, team engineers will take a car and make it better using upgraded aftermarket parts. I mentioned the sensor being £20 and you instantly dismissed it as being no good quite common bmw snobbery you see a lot mainly by owners that have this idea the dealer is best. This is why bmw owners get laughed in the trade and there's this stereotype of bmw people who don't really know much about cars or maintaining them they just want a bmw for status and dont mind getting ripped off by dealers. There will be times aftermarket prices ain't much cheaper so using oem parts is a no brainer. Something like a sensor though is debatable as the components wont really be any different. They both have 12m warranty, both do the same job just one cost a fifth of the price less. I actually work in warranty now for Volvo so I see plenty of failed oem parts Volvo parts which are made in Germany by same companies as bmw.

Q; if u bought a lamp for example from a shop it came with osram bulb then it blew up and needed replacing out of warranty, would you?

A; only source the osram bulb as thats oem
B; fit it the right spec bulb no matter brand

I understand you feel like oem is better but some aftermarket parts can actually be better as mentioned earlier with meyle HD parts. Yes I used Meyle on all my E46's over the last 10yrs because its so good. Perfect example take bmw oem lemforder brand control arm bushes/link arms etc which are well known and documented for years for failing every other year. Meyle Hd is aftermarket and is exactly that high durability range id argue it better. someone like you prefers paying more at the dealer for parts that are worse.

Sorry i can not conform to the way the fourm seems to be made up of disgruntled old men in their 40+ who seem to think its now their place in life to look down on others due to the price of their car or watch they wear its quite funny. I chose to own 3 e46's because i know the m54 engine very well and they are reliable cars. My car before that was a brand new financed ford i sold it and choose to drive a 12yr old bmw. Last time i checked it was a bmw too so where this upper class snobbery come from. Its terrible they way Z4 owners think there above their station. On track days fellow Z4 members just laugh at the types on here. This is a perfect example. Anyway sorry for boring you may your expensive trips to the dealer continue.

http://www.meyle.com/en/spare-parts/meyle-hd.html
 
goldbcfc - What a load of waffle!

Being as you're such a highly skilled person, perhaps you'd care to list your professional qualifications such as where you did your engineering training, what degree you have, what Engineering Institute you're a member of, what professional engineering experience you have since qualifying etc? [Assuming that you are indeed someone who has the qualifications & experience to merit anyone heeding your opinions and not a mere spanner monkey with no qualifications who has a load mouth?]
 
goldbcfc said:
DLH said:
MACK said:
Gold you really are a grade A ARSE,
Firstly you bore the pants off us with mutliple posts of the SAME/VIDS pictures of your car and you must have told us you have owned 3 E46's about a million times. No one takes you to task on your boring/repetive crap, we generally are too polite and have more class.
But responding to the OP in your smug bastard manner, I really have to say it, the sooner you sell your car and disappear the better, just bore off! You really are a forum rash, you get everywhere and no one wants you. These sensors are £90+ from BMW and aren't really available elsewhere, whether in the trade or not. They certainly aren't £20. You say you work at a Volvo Main Stealers, well all that means is you know how to fill in a bonus sheet, know nothing unless a computer or scanner tells you and charge the earth for items not replaced! The fact you work at a Main Stealers should be reason enough to have the mods ban you! :poke:
I certainly wouldn't come on a car forum and admit I worked at a shower of sh!te Main Dealer, if you think it gives you credibility more fool you! Anyone who truly knows anything about cars knows just how appalling they are!
Thanks MACK.

Is it true that E46's are like Hemorrhoids in that, given time, every ar$ehole gets one? :P
I work in a garage, if we quote a price on a job using oem parts you get 2 year warranty fitted by an authorised dealer. Just like you would buying oem parts at BMW its no different. If the price is too high the customer may then ask for a quote on a non genuine part to suit their budget. New vehicles will be under manufacturers 5 year warranty and automatically get genuine oem parts as we claim the money back from dealer. As your part was not fitted by dealer you have a 12m warranty on a oem part. The same 12m warranty as a non genuine part but at fraction of the cost. BMW and VOLVO don't make oem parts there supplier will be a no frills company who supply many other manufacturers too the parts are just reboxed etc. Of course they will be aftermarket stuff out there which is a poor cheap standard but generally in the trade aftermarket parts are widely used being cheaper. A perfect example is a company called Roadlink in Wolverhampton they reline our Volvo truck oem brakes shoes. The castings are sent there, they reline them and a white Volvo mark is printed on them. We then sell it to a customer as oem part but the aftermarket ones we sell cheaper without the Volvo mark meet the same spec. Now in this same factory they supply all brands of brakes from pagid,jurid,brembo,mintex etc. Whilst you see the brand name you may recognise on the box they are made actually by these smaller less well known companies and just reboxed to suit customer. These big name brands will work alongside the manufacturer to make the spec brake shoe they require. So your oem sensor will be no different to a aftermarket one as these specs have to match on testing to be able to sell it. So the way i see it you have two groups of people, those who buy car for status and know very little how to maintain them so think a dealer is the only option. Then there's others who service their own cars and maintain them using the best parts doesn't mean they have to be oem. Take Meyle HD for example its a brand that offers a 4 yr warranty better than any bmw oem bmw part does being only 2yr fitted by dealer or 12m fitted yourself. Just because something has a bmw logo doesn't make it better doesn't even make it more reliable being more expensive either. Racing is a ood example, team engineers will take a car and make it better using upgraded aftermarket parts. I mentioned the sensor being £20 and you instantly dismissed it as being no good quite common bmw snobbery you see a lot mainly by owners that have this idea the dealer is best. This is why bmw owners get laughed in the trade and there's this stereotype of bmw people who don't really know much about cars or maintaining them they just want a bmw for status and dont mind getting ripped off by dealers. There will be times aftermarket prices ain't much cheaper so using oem parts is a no brainer. Something like a sensor though is debatable as the components wont really be any different. They both have 12m warranty, both do the same job just one cost a fifth of the price less. I actually work in warranty now for Volvo so I see plenty of failed oem parts Volvo parts which are made in Germany by same companies as bmw.

Q; if u bought a lamp for example from a shop it came with osram bulb then it blew up and needed replacing out of warranty, would you?

A; only source the osram bulb as thats oem
B; fit it the right spec bulb no matter brand

I understand you feel like oem is better but some aftermarket parts can actually be better as mentioned earlier with meyle HD parts. Yes I used Meyle on all my E46's over the last 10yrs because its so good. Perfect example take bmw oem lemforder brand control arm bushes/link arms etc which are well known and documented for years for failing every other year. Meyle Hd is aftermarket and is exactly that high durability range id argue it better. someone like you prefers paying more at the dealer for parts that are worse.

Sorry i can not conform to the way the fourm seems to be made up of disgruntled old men in their 40+ who seem to think its now their place in life to look down on others due to the price of their car or watch they wear its quite funny. I chose to own 3 e46's because i know the m54 engine very well and they are reliable cars. My car before that was a brand new financed ford i sold it and choose to drive a 12yr old bmw. Last time i checked it was a bmw too so where this upper class snobbery come from. Its terrible they way Z4 owners think there above their station. On track days fellow Z4 members just laugh at the types on here. This is a perfect example. Anyway sorry for boring you may your expensive trips to the dealer continue.

http://www.meyle.com/en/spare-parts/meyle-hd.html

Didn't take the hint then! Still here waffling on with no relevance about stuff that the vast majority of us already know before going on some bizarre rant at 40+ BMW drivers! Does that Volvo cesspool you work in give you health care, I think you need a shrink! "cuckoo!" :rofl:

You state BMW Owners are a joke in the trade, no mate Main Stealer Muppets are a joke in the trade! You talk to us like we are 12 year old kids with no experience. NEWS FLASH some members are also in the trade and are far more knowledgeable and better qualified than you so get back to your scanner and don't have a heart attack "when the computer says no!"

Your a big cry baby, with a head the size of a house who needs to grow up. Pathetic, you talk down your nose and are rude and abusive to forum members but then cant take it when folks start to bite back.

Like I said before its best all round if you hurry up and sell your Z4 that you seem to have such disdain for so you don't have to darken the door of us BMW Joke Owners. By the way by you're own definition your a joke then and have been for 10 years!

Word of advice seeing as your so fond of dishing it out. Its not wise to put your car up for sale on a Z4 forum while posting in threads your selling it due to E46 Cabs being better in your opinion than your particular example. But whats really incredibly stupid is trying to sell a car whilst posting videos of it being thrashed around various tracks/drag strips. Folks like to think the car they are buying has been well cared for not received track abuse! :headbang: Good job your a spanner and not in sales! :poke:

Oh by the way I'm in my 30's :poke: :rofl:
 
DLH said:
goldbcfc - What a load of waffle!

Being as you're such a highly skilled person, perhaps you'd care to list your professional qualifications such as where you did your engineering training, what degree you have, what Engineering Institute you're a member of, what professional engineering experience you have since qualifying etc? [Assuming that you are indeed someone who has the qualifications & experience to merit anyone heeding your opinions and not a mere spanner monkey with no qualifications who has a load mouth?]

+1 :thumbsup:
 
Not everyone has the time, ability, or interest to understand how their cars work in detail. That's why I have a trusted indy do my work for me, who prices as well as he can, uses OEM parts or other manufacturers parts based on his experience (which is much greater than mine), and who will not fleece me for every minor issue he finds. If someone on here suggests a £20 sensor instead of paying £100 I'd be interested, but I'd check with my indy if the person concerned was talking shite or not - cos let's be fair, how the hell do I know that the 'advisor' on here has a clue ?
 
Bing said:
Not everyone has the time, ability, or interest to understand how their cars work in detail. That's why I have a trusted indy do my work for me, who prices as well as he can, uses OEM parts or other manufacturers parts based on his experience (which is much greater than mine), and who will not fleece me for every minor issue he finds. If someone on here suggests a £20 sensor instead of paying £100 I'd be interested, but I'd check with my indy if the person concerned was talking shite or not - cos let's be fair, how the hell do I know that the 'advisor' on here has a clue ?

+1

I think your indie would be :rofl: when he spotted the so called "advisor " who was belittling you was talking about an ABS sensor, when you and the rest of us were clearly talking about a Brake Pressure Sensor!
 
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