What did the EU ever do for us?
- Thread starter Jembo
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North West Surrey
TitanTim said:
It's totally different I know, but back when I had a proper job I was an insurance claims loss adjuster, and most negotiations got nowhere until there was some sort of deadline because both parties were usually being a bit unrealistic. Impose a deadline and it's surprising how reasonable everyone becomes!
Hopefully that will be the case with this.
SpiketheBike
Member
I totally agree that the EU have shown themselves to be exactly what a lot of people thought. Self serving bureaucrats who dont really care who they upset.
What realy annoyed me about the referendum, was that no one knew what article 50 meant. If you've read it, you'll know itmis about 3 sentences long, and tells you nothing. The EU obviously thought no one would ever have the audacity to leave, and article 50 was nothing more then lip service.
One thing no ever seems to be mentioned, is whilst the result of the vote was 52/48, about 1/3 of people didn't bother voting. One has to assume that they were not bothered if we left or not, so it could be argued that actually the result should have been in the region of 66/34.
What realy annoyed me about the referendum, was that no one knew what article 50 meant. If you've read it, you'll know itmis about 3 sentences long, and tells you nothing. The EU obviously thought no one would ever have the audacity to leave, and article 50 was nothing more then lip service.
One thing no ever seems to be mentioned, is whilst the result of the vote was 52/48, about 1/3 of people didn't bother voting. One has to assume that they were not bothered if we left or not, so it could be argued that actually the result should have been in the region of 66/34.
Liverpool
We might be the least of Brussels problems soon, brexit may be a headache for them now, but if the new coalition government of Italy goes its own way, it could bring down the whole EU house of cards.
The new Italian Prime minister, now leads a coalition government of very diverse and contradictory thinking in all but one thing – a dislike of the EU.
Italy it seems has a few bones to pick with the EU, such as the big one of immigration and the new government is looking to ride roughshod over the very soft approach the EU has to migration.
Then there's the economy, with many in Italy believing that Brussels is the author of their current woes, with a national debt of 132% of the country's GDP and that joining the Euro was a big mistake.
Watch with interest
The new Italian Prime minister, now leads a coalition government of very diverse and contradictory thinking in all but one thing – a dislike of the EU.
Italy it seems has a few bones to pick with the EU, such as the big one of immigration and the new government is looking to ride roughshod over the very soft approach the EU has to migration.
Then there's the economy, with many in Italy believing that Brussels is the author of their current woes, with a national debt of 132% of the country's GDP and that joining the Euro was a big mistake.
Watch with interest
While I dont disagree that they are self serving its to be expected that they are mainly focused on whats best for the EU and its members, for example the Irish question poses significant problems for both sides, why should they capitulate to us?SpiketheBike said:
3 sentences is a bit of an over exaggeration...SpiketheBike said:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf
What exactly did you want it to tell you? Every single facet of the final arrangement is subject to the negotiations between the EU and the departing country.
SpiketheBike said:
or just as easily 60/40 in favour to stay. You could also argue that they thought that it wouldnt happen and so felt that they didnt need to vote. This is a pointless statement as is exactly why those that dont vote arent counted.