What a mess we're in !

[Buckz]

I've had no saying in this being an Eastern European who moved to UK at 14 but it's all very messy from the side and it seems like UK wants to have its cake and eat it which is not going to happen. It's a shame that before the country even left the EU the instability of the government has devalued the pound so much and is putting people off from moving here for work. End of day those who come here for work do pay their taxes which helps the country.

Would not make any difference which party was in government, it would still be a mess. No cooperation from any side and sniping from all angles.

agreed, I think the main problem is that an important decision like this was handed over to the public and while I'm all for democracy I will also be the first one to admit that average joe will struggle to make a proper decision, especially when it was fueled with lies and bs from both sides.

if it was ever to reach the public vote stage it should have been fully laid out, cons of being part of EU, pros and vice versa.

end of the day the parliament has been voted in to make decisions like this.

 

[Anonymous]

I've had no saying in this being an Eastern European who moved to UK at 14 but it's all very messy from the side and it seems like UK wants to have its cake and eat it which is not going to happen. It's a shame that before the country even left the EU the instability of the government has devalued the pound so much and is putting people off from moving here for work. End of day those who come here for work do pay their taxes which helps the country.

Would not make any difference which party was in government, it would still be a mess. No cooperation from any side and sniping from all angles.

agreed, I think the main problem is that an important decision like this was handed over to the public and while I'm all for democracy I will also be the first one to admit that average joe will struggle to make a proper decision, especially when it was fueled with lies and bs from both sides.

if it was ever to reach the public vote stage it should have been fully laid out, cons of being part of EU, pros and vice versa.

end of the day the parliament has been voted in to make decisions like this.

It was laid out,,,,,,,according to who you want to believe you might or might not get some real answers,,,but probably not. Too many too busy with their own agenda

 

[Anonymous]

It was sold to the uk as a trading arrangement, they never divulged that they would have such control over us.
Like a lot of things, power corrupts
Rob

True,,,and as politicians they hold the majority on corruption

 

[ronk]

Initially it was a trade vehicle then :-
'Maastricht Treaty'

The Maastricht Treaty aimed at unifying policies of defense, currency and citizenship among all member nations. The treaty required voters in each country to approve the European Union, which proved to be a hotly debated topic in many areas. The agreement took effect on November 1, 1993, with the creation of the European Union and has since been amended by other treaties.

This is when we should have sat up and taken notice but we didn't - it was just a name on the 6 o'clock news.

 

[dr_john]

I have the feeling of rolling down the hill to hell in a very rickety old handcart.

 

[dgm]

OP, we've been in Europe for the last 10 years and everything you mention above has happened at some point during that decade....so let's not believe being in the EU has been/is the answer to our problems in the UK. Yes, the £ being low is annoying, but it was also annoying 10 years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/dec/14/euro-economic-policy-currencies-europe

It's all just a cycle where the rich get richer at either end of the boom/bust global economy....

10 years ?????? 1973 and got worse year on year

Are you joking? It's pretty obvious what he was saying and you've misunderstood.

 

[mr wilks]

Unless i'm missing something fundamental i see no immediate direct change withdrawing from the EU :? what i do see is a country (UK ) very fragmented , fragile & on the verge of another major credit crunch only this time not directly linked to mortgage borrowing .

 

[Anonymous]

OP, we've been in Europe for the last 10 years and everything you mention above has happened at some point during that decade....so let's not believe being in the EU has been/is the answer to our problems in the UK. Yes, the £ being low is annoying, but it was also annoying 10 years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/dec/14/euro-economic-policy-currencies-europe

It's all just a cycle where the rich get richer at either end of the boom/bust global economy....

Are you joking? It's pretty obvious what he was saying and you've misunderstood.

 

[ronk]

Unless i'm missing something fundamental i see no immediate direct change withdrawing from the EU :? what i do see is a country (UK ) very fragmented , fragile & on the verge of another major credit crunch only this time not directly linked to mortgage borrowing .

And a one we won't bounce back from!
We don't own anything now.
No coal, steel, oil, water, gas, electricity, cars, - all foreign owned !

 

[Anonymous]

Unless i'm missing something fundamental i see no immediate direct change withdrawing from the EU :? what i do see is a country (UK ) very fragmented , fragile & on the verge of another major credit crunch only this time not directly linked to mortgage borrowing .

And a one we won't bounce back from!
We don't own anything now.
No coal, steel, oil, water, gas, electricity, cars, - all foreign owned !

Hinckley Point,,,, owned partly by the Chinese even before any power gets delivered.
We will wake up 1 day,,,,,,,, to try and change things but only to realise the negotiating days are gone !!!!

 

[Mr Tidy]

It was always going to be a messy affair leaving, I'm surprised they think they can even achieve it in 2 years. Still proud to stand by my decision of leaving. There's going to be a lot of changes in the coming years and mostly not good to begin with.

Lee

I'm with you on that Lee.

As someone said, stop making the payments then all they can do is kick us out!

They want rights for EU citizens living in the UK, fine - so long as UK residents in the EU get the same!

EU countries want free trade, same again.

I think we'd get at least as good a deal from outside - we can't be blackmailed then.

The problem is we don't seem to have any politicians with any b*lls!

 

[dgm]

10 years ?????? 1973 and got worse year on year

Are you joking? It's pretty obvious what he was saying and you've misunderstood.

I read his quote "10 years in Europe",,,,,,, what"s correct about that ????? on the other hand I did read the article,,,, not seeing the connection but then this is how everything in general gets mis quoted,,,,,,read one thing quote something else

What's correct about is that we have been in Europe for the last 10 years and that 10 year period is being referenced whilst giving an example of events that have happened in the EU over that period. It doesn't say the UK membership has been for the last decade.

 

[Ewazix]

I think the real barrier to progress is a fundamental difference of mindset between continental Europeans and the British. Brit's don't always appreciate that most of Cont' Europe was physically invaded, peoples displaced and nations torn up in WW2 so the European project is a bedrock of stability and safety for them which will be protected vigorously. Brit's were essentially conned in to voting to join the 'Common Market' trade and cooperation area in 1975 with no public mention made of the long term plan to make Europe a single nation state with all that comes with it, so Brit's haven't got the same emotional investment in Europe.

Unfortunately it didn't help when Cameron was in trouble with his party (and a small majority of the public) over 'Europe' and immigration when Euro' leaders sent him packing empty handed looking like a fool when he tried to negotiate some small concessions. I stand by the view that if they had given some short-med term relief on some of the issues particularly around unfettered immigration, then that would have avoided the referendum being called. But the hard line uncompromising position taken by Euro negotiators backfired and we are now facing a messy divorce which will suit nobody. They didn't believe a referendum would be called, they didn't think the out vote would win, and they don't believe Britain would walk without a deal. If I were them I'd check the form book and see what's likely to happen, which again isn't what they want so they will need to compromise and come up with sensible divorce terms.

......... and Michele Barnier tweeting yesterday about the need for the UK to remove 'ambiguities' is firstly unhelpfully ambiguous and a bit rich since they can't come up with a break-down for the claimed exit bill :? It's a game of poker, who's going to blink?

 

[Angelus666]

Are you joking? It's pretty obvious what he was saying and you've misunderstood.

I read his quote "10 years in Europe",,,,,,, what"s correct about that ????? on the other hand I did read the article,,,, not seeing the connection but then this is how everything in general gets mis quoted,,,,,,read one thing quote something else

What's correct about is that we have been in Europe for the last 10 years and that 10 year period is being referenced whilst giving an example of events that have happened in the EU over that period. It doesn't say the UK membership has been for the last decade.

Exactly that. I've just taken this last 10 years as a short example of all the doom you forecast!

Have we forgotten that the NHS has gone to s**t 'during' our EU membership? Try and get a non urgent operation within 6 months, almost impossible. I've done some work for a healthcare recruitment business that has made multi millionaires out of the owners, absolutely rinsing the system, all with tax payers money, and all due to the lack of permanent/full-time staff investment into the system.

As car nuts we all remember £1.42 per litre petrol from 2012...and the £ dropped to parity against the € 10 years ago. It's all just a cycle.

Now, I'm not saying leaving the EU will answer the future problems, but I have to think paying into a system that takes more than we get back seems a crazy place to remain. The UK leaving the EU causes more problems for the Catholic countries in Europe than it does for us....