Vick's dogs start a new life

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561design

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 Woodstock,Ga
The owner of the tattoo parlor I use also has a pitbull rescue. He was able to get 3 of the dogs under his care and has been caring for them for the past month now. It wasn't until today that he was allowed to announce them to the public.

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http://www.11alive.com/life/pet/article_pet.aspx?storyid=110121
 
Those dogs will never be a safe pet. They should be destroyed!
SIx months of training doesn't mean squat to dog bred for fighting. They may be 10th generation fighters how do you unteach that?
JMHO
 
Well, only one of the 3 dogs shown above were actually used for fighting. That one will most likely be placed in a home as an only dog. In order to get pits to fight, both contenders are cut. The smell of another dog's blood is what triggers the pits agressive actions. There's also a huge difference between a dog that is considered dog aggressive and one that is considered people agressive. I have a Great Pyrenees that is extremely dog agressive. But he wouldn't hurt a person. My step-son has stepped on his tail many a time and all he does is get up and walk away. I also have a mutt that has signs of being people aggressive. He's the one I make a point to watch him around strangers.

Dogs can be bred for physical traits that would help them in their duties such as gaurding flock etc. But you actually have to teach a dog to fight another dog or person. Once they've built up those traits, you can't get it out of them.If dogs have bad genes (typically from mixed breeding) they can develop aggressive tendancies to people from birth. These dogs are often "culled" at a young age. These dogs that have been released to the public have already been evaluated and tested.
 
Many people have safe friendly dogs in their backyard until one day - oops. I don't even trust my two Labs around children unless they're supervised. Too many reports in the news of all breeds turning, let alone one that has been bred for it.
 
In agree with Caddyshk - it is best not to leave any dog alone with a child. Even a lap-dog can turn on a child.

At the end of the day the dog has to respect the human as the leader of the pack. Problem is that some dogs may accept their owner as the leader but may not accept other adults as above them in the pecking order. That is when dogs can attack adults and actually kill them.

There are the dogs genes and then there is programming that probably leads on to gene expression. A dog that has aggressive genes and is trained to be aggressive is just bad news. A dog that has aggressive genes but gentle training is iffy at best just like a dog with non-aggressive genes and aggressive training.
 
These dogs are not inherently vicious. They are taught aggression and fighting. There are thousands of these dogs that make great family pets. This breed is picked to fight for their physical ability and, yes also their tenacity. My parents bought a beagle when I was a kid and took it back in 2 days after I was attacked and needed 6 stitches near my eye. I agree with enfield & caddyshk that all dogs must be watched around children.
 
Personally I would cross the street if any of those dogs came toward me... Certainly over in the UK dogs like those have a bad name, mainly because of the low life people that (in general) own them. While they might not be bought with the express purpose of fighting they are certainly owned as a sort of "don't mess with me or my dog" sort of statement.

If a dog like that were o be owned by a professional dog handler and was no left around kids then fine, but it does worry me that this breed of dog can be owned by anyone, and that's when "accidents" happen and it's some poor toddler that pays for it.
 
Oops! :oops: I missed the part that these are Vick's actual dogs! I don't know if these dogs can be rehabilitated. Its a shame.
 
sp3ctre said:
Personally I would cross the street if any of those dogs came toward me... Certainly over in the UK dogs like those have a bad name, mainly because of the low life people that (in general) own them. While they might not be bought with the express purpose of fighting they are certainly owned as a sort of "don't mess with me or my dog" sort of statement.

If a dog like that were o be owned by a professional dog handler and was no left around kids then fine, but it does worry me that this breed of dog can be owned by anyone, and that's when "accidents" happen and it's some poor toddler that pays for it.
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Similarly - one of my cats is a Bengal, which is a domestic cat bred with an Asian Leopard cat, and pets must be 4 times removed from the wild cat before they can be sold as pets. This cat loves me (and I love him :sweetheart: ) he hardly leaves my side when I'm in the house, yet on several occasions he has violently attacked me. I've managed to beat him off because of his small size, but if he was a dog I would have been seriously hurt.

He has a real animal instinct that takes over sometimes and makes him go crazy.
 
Many dogs have fight or flight behaviors. Typically, most dogs have a high range of tolerance between the two. More often than not when a dog is threatened they will take "flight" others will choose to fight. Also, note that just because these are Vick's actual dogs, it doesn't mean they have been used to fighting. In the pics above only the dog on the very top was actually in a dog fight. Also note that all three dogs still have their ears, which is a very good sign.

Small children should never be left around any kind of dog, especially smaller dogs. Children are often misunderstood by dogs and that's how accidents happen. It still doesn' mean that the particular breed is vicious. More than likely it's due in responsibility of negligence on the owner's part.
 
561design said:
Children are often misunderstood by dogs and that's how accidents happen. It still doesn' mean that the particular breed is vicious. More than likely it's due in responsibility of negligence on the owner's part.
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Are you willing to put your child's life on the line? I don't think that any dog, bred to fight, should be allowed to be let off a close kept chain/choke collar in public. If anyone wants to take chances, do it in your own house or well fenced yard.
 
I would not have dogs that I am unfamilar with around any young child. Like I said before. The smaller the dog the more likely they are to mis-interpet the actions of a child. Children's behavior during play is what can trigger many dogs to bite them. I'm not saying it's ok to have dogs around small children. I'm actually saying quite the opposite.
 
I think that big dogs may be more dangerous because they can do more damage.

Bottom line - dogs are animals that follow pack behavior. There is an alpha male and the others can challange the alpha at any time. They have a pecking order and may at times attack other members of the pack to maintain their rank. They can consider children to be below them. They may consider other adults to be below them.

Some dogs are bred for aggression. They have genes that make them that way. Dogs with aggressive genes will always be more aggressive then dogs that are not naturally selected for aggressive genes. Training has a part to play in gene expression.

Studies have been done in Human males with Anti-Social Personality Disorder and their male childrens chances of developing Antisocial Personality. If a dad with Anti-Social Personality brings up his male child then the chances of the male child developing Anti-Social Personality approaches the 90% mark. However, if such a child has been removed from the family of origin at birth (adopted) and put into a family without Anti-Social Personality then this child's risk goes down to around 80%. Genes account for this. Training only reduces the risk by 10%.

I suspect that aggressive dogs are no different and that training only slightly reduces the risk.
 
Under no circumstance should any child be left with any dog of any size unaccompanied - period. Doesn't make a difference on the breed. I've seen more small-dog bites then large dog bites. But it doesn't matter, you should never leave them alone with any dog, or to play on the floor with one. It always amazes me how when company comes to my house, the first thing they want to do is bend down and stick their face in the face of my OEM!!!! :headbang: . I don't understand how people think it's OK to bend down and try to immediately make friends with a dog. There is a proper way to approach, and a proper way to pet a strange dog.

OEMs are bred to be protecters, and she is. I don't allow anyone near her without me present with the exception of my parents - she's a bitch and that's fine with me, she's an only dog and I have no children. No child is allowed around Belle ever, adults are given strict instructions on how to properly behave around her before they meet her. Pitbulls have gotten a rotten name unfortunately, and they are some of the sweetest dogs I've known. Ones who have been fought and been through extensive testing such as the Vick's dogs can have a place in a home which meet all their needs. The dogs who have been bait dogs are more likey to be adopted however, but still must be carefully placed.

When I adopted Belle, she had to go to a home with no children (she grew up in a house full of 6!), no other dogs, no cats and no birds. She began showing aggression and the family became afraid, as they should be.

Bottom line is always be careful around any dog.
 
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