Very very impressive - Z4M BtG under 7'40"

krisa9977 said:
Yes, rear bushings are more important then front. If you don't want to go with poly bushings, you also can put RTAB limeters like those:http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info.php?cPath=0_1_4_155&products_id=59
Make sure that your OEM bushings are in good condition or just replace for new ones
The guys on that website are not so enthusiastic about RTAB poly bushings :|

Unlike other suspension bushing locations that only have one axis of rotation, swapping in excessively stiff replacement bushings using materials such as Polyurethane can and will cause suspension bind. The stock rubber M3 bushing is fairly compliant and effective when brand new but wears quickly over time, and doesn't cope with the added forces from race tires in perfect condition. Added wear adds excessive toe change under suspension movement, acceleration and braking. It is compounded greatly with additional power and grip from racing compound tires. If your stock RTABs have more than 20K miles and/or you've used the car for more than a season of racing, they are likely shot.

Many racers just blindly install polyurethane into this and all bushing locations as a "fix" for a worn OEM rubber RTAB bushing. Polyurethane is a bad choice for a bushing material if it has to deflect - such as in a multi-axis suspension bushing location like the RTAB. Rubber bushings + limiters or a complete replacement with a custom steel spherical bearing are the only two textbook choices for this location. We cannot count the number of times we have seen RTAB or front LCA failures on BMWs that were using poly in these areas - an expensive repair and dangerous racing situation. At the very least poly will add bind during significant suspension movement, and this can make the handling feel odd (unexplained oversteer) as well as add significant stress to the suspension-to-chassis mounts (which is how they can fail over time).

If you have a street car or dual purpose BMW you should always stick with OEM bushings and RTAB limiters, and even many race prepped BMWs use this setup with excellent results.

They also sell Powerflex bushings, but have this note on the page:

Note: We recommend against running polyurethane in the RTAB location for E36/E46 cars due to the bind that can occur in a multi-axis bushing and do not offer them for sale.
 
Subscribing to this thread. Very interesting, thanks for sharing krisa9977. Can't wait to apply those updates to my Z4MC!
 
krisa9977 said:
Franzino said:
krisa9977 said:
This is a lap with the same car with PSS tires and passenger:

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So this is with the same set-up, but only PSS tires instead… Nice!

Yes, same set up + 100 kg(passenger)
Impressive stuff… If the car is stock with only suspension modification then there are 2 conclusion; you know the track really well to go this fast or the suspension and bushes makes a really big difference...
 
Franzino said:
krisa9977 said:
Franzino said:
So this is with the same set-up, but only PSS tires instead… Nice!

Yes, same set up + 100 kg(passenger)
Impressive stuff… If the car is stock with only suspension modification then there are 2 conclusion; you know the track really well to go this fast or the suspension and bushes makes a really big difference...

I would say it's both of those ;-)


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