Vanos Seals - To do, or not to do!!??

Sigmaf

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Morning all,

Apologies if this topic has been covered many times before!

I'm a new 2.5l 2005 Z4 owner. Thoroughly enjoying it!

Vanos seals? Myth or worth replacing?

Car is basically flat up to 3k, okay 3 - 5k, picks up well 5 - 8k!

Not sure if a characteristic of the engine, or the Vanos seals will make a difference?

Any experienced feedback would be appreciated as it's quite a costly job, if no real benefit?

Thanks all,

Scott
 
Morning Scott,

I was of a similar opinion with my wife's 53-plate 2.5i auto.
Then the water pump packed up so I decided to do the lot in one go.
Yes, the kit costs a fair bit, but it comes with everything, including new gaskets and if you can do it yourself there's no other cost.
I was sceptical, and when it first started up I thought I'd broken it as it ran rough for 30 seconds or so.
Basically, as the seals fail, the oil sneaks past them and doesn't push the pistons, so the cams don't get adjusted. this is masked by the ECU compensating (known as adaptations). So when you fix it, the ECU has to learn all over again. I speeded up that process by resetting the adaptations with my code reader, taking it back to a default baseline.
In short, initially you'll notice the car seems to run smoother. You may not immediately be aware of a huge change in performance, but over the next 100 miles or so, as the ECU learns to live with the new vanos, the car will just get better and better.
On Vall's auto it was most noticeable that gear changes became much smoother, which I put down to the fact you've recovered a lot of torque.

Don't expect it to feel like you've supercharged it of course, but you will notice the car becomes much more pleasant to drive.

It is one of the first jobs I do now on any of the Z4s (M54) that I get.

Of course there's an assumption you'll be doing it yourself? If not then the price is going to go up a fair bit at a garage.

Whereabouts are you?
I'm in the middle of Norfolk and have done a few. I would leave it to you to decide how much my efforts were worth.
Likewise, there's Stuart (bigwinn) in Lincoln who has done loads.
Probably others around the country too.
When I did my first one Stuart was on speed dial and helped out with a few hints and tricks. I'd happily offer the same support to you if needed.

If you don't do it you'll never know what you're 'mything' :D
 
If you have the time, space, tools and know-how then yes, definitely worth doing (assuming you’re sure the car hasn’t already had it done).
 
I did this on my 100k+ Z4. It's nice knowing it's done. I didn't notice a difference at first, but as the miles clocked by the car because much smoother and it felt as if the car was giving me the power right way through the revs.
In sport its just even better!

I think the kit I got was 100 odd quid but I got it from x8r. I accidentally got the one with bearings in it that I couldn't replace but still well worth it.
 
I've read many times that rebuilding vanos improves the performance, but if your vanos is in a good condition, it probably won't make much of a difference.
I'm thinking about rebuilding my 3.0si N52 vanos as preventative maintenence. Anyone done that on these engines?
 
Andres said:
I've read many times that rebuilding vanos improves the performance, but if your vanos is in a good condition, it probably won't make much of a difference.
How would he know if it's in good condition?
If its still on the original seals then a combination of usage and time will almost certainly mean they're leaking.
There is only one way to be 100% certain and that is to dismantle it and check, so then you'd be daft not to change the seals anyway.
OP, honestly, if it's not been done, do it now. :wink:
 
Sigmaf said:
Car is basically flat up to 3k, okay 3 - 5k, picks up well 5 - 8k!
Mine did that too, a power kick above 5k which led to suspect VANOS. Wasn’t really missing any power or torque, I thought, but…The seals turned out to be shot, hard like plastic and the pistons were really loose. New seals returned the smooth power delivery and low end torque, and the mpg. I’ve had the car from new and as the seals gradually failed over time, never really noticed it.
 
Andres said:
I've read many times that rebuilding vanos improves the performance, but if your vanos is in a good condition, it probably won't make much of a difference.
I'm thinking about rebuilding my 3.0si N52 vanos as preventative maintenence. Anyone done that on these engines?

If your car has done more than 80,000km then they need replacing....full stop (they will need replacing at any mileage now as they deteriorate over time as well as distance). Did mine last year at 85,000km and the "O" rings were so hard there was no possibility of them sealing correctly. New X8R seals, made with better material, made it smoother and more powerful, and along with new bearings it also made it much quieter. Do the rocker cover gasket at the same time.
 
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