Value tyres

[BeardyJon]

I’m scouting out some new tyres and definitely curious about Black circles value tyres at a saving of £70 per tyre. Anyone ever tried them out? Are they any good? or do you get exactly what you pay for?

 

[road warrior]

It's up-to you, the fact that they say value is a generic term for any tyre that is cheap and is no name or unknown Chinese or Indian in origin. Not really the sort of tyre that you might put on a high performance car.

 

[99ron]

Don't do it. I bought an rx8 once which had cheap tyres. Was ok on the dry although it didn't live up to it's excellent handling reputation but 1st time I drove in the wet the rear gave way on a roundabout without warning. I was going quite slowly. The grip was all over the place and really unpredictable.
Immediately replaced with a set of mpss and then realised what the rx8 was supposed to be like. Totally different car after that.
Budget tyres maybe ok for budget cars but I wouldn't touch them. Those 4 patches of rubber are what keep you on the road after all.

 

[Zoomer]

I would always put good quality tyres on my car as coming from a motorcycle originally I learnt how much you need these small contact patches of rubber to perform.

 

[BeardyJon]

Ok cool. Thanks guys. That’s good to know. Some things you can skimp on so worth an ask, but you’re probably right that tyres shouldn’t be one of them.

 

[andyf1140]

Ok cool. Thanks guys. That’s good to know. Some things you can skimp on so worth an ask, but you’re probably right that tyres shouldn’t be one of them.

The best thing to look at is the wet grip rating, anything less than A is no good

 

[Mr Tidy]

I'd never put cheap tyres on anything I planned to drive "spiritedly"!

I'll admit to my Z4 having Bridgestone RFTs, but my 325i has Pirellis and my inbound 330i has Continentals.

I'd never scrimp on tyres or brakes - that's what keeps you on the road, and hopefully out of trouble!

 

[Ewazix]

You don't realise what a difference tyres make until you change them, budget tyres will ruin the driving experience on any car. There are loads of threads on the forum with recommendations for midrange+ tyres

 

[mr wilks]

If you are on a strict budget & if you can get the sizes worth pricing up tyres by Riken ( budget tyre Michelin made)
I'm currently running a set on my daily driver & couldn't be happier with them for the money .
Tyreleader have Riken UHP 255 35 19 for £77 & 235 35 19 for £64

From the net /

Product Description
The tires Riken are manufactured by Concern Michelin in Europe with the same technology and machinery. It provides them with a very good performance in all weather conditions. Riken ultra high performance novelty is intended for upper-class cars to modern high performance cars. It is characterized by very good adhesion to both dry and wet road, good braking properties and also has a long life. Along with the attractive price, then the obvious choice for drivers who prefer optimal price-quality ratio.

 

[ben g]

I just purchased 4 vredesteins in staggered 18'' fitment for £275 after cashback, from camskill, so that's cheaper than the value tyres you've seen, for a much superior brand.

 

[ben g]

Ok cool. Thanks guys. That’s good to know. Some things you can skimp on so worth an ask, but you’re probably right that tyres shouldn’t be one of them.

The best thing to look at is the wet grip rating, anything less than A is no good

Thats complete rubbish. Michelin Pilot Super Sports have a B wet rating and people foam at the mouth when driving on them.

My Vorti's also have a B rating and they're fantastic in all weather's, even when it was - 8c and snowing.

 

[andyf1140]

Ok cool. Thanks guys. That’s good to know. Some things you can skimp on so worth an ask, but you’re probably right that tyres shouldn’t be one of them.

The best thing to look at is the wet grip rating, anything less than A is no good

Thats complete rubbish. Michelin Pilot Super Sports have a B wet rating and people foam at the mouth when driving on them.

My Vorti's also have a B rating and they're fantastic in all weather's, even when it was - 8c and snowing.

In terms of testing 1 grade point is the equivalent of 1m extra stopping distance

 

[BeardyJon]

Science shmience, eh?

 

[ben g]

Science shmience, eh?

You can have an A wet rating, but the actual Tyre can be null and void in terms of actually getting any performance on dry tarmac.

Go and tell the high performance motor owning guys who have Michelin Supersport fitted that their tyres are rubbish

 

[andyf1140]

That's fine for garage queens that only come out in the sun but for the rest of us the wet grip performance should be high in the list of requirements

 

[buzyg]

Ok cool. Thanks guys. That’s good to know. Some things you can skimp on so worth an ask, but you’re probably right that tyres shouldn’t be one of them.

The best thing to look at is the wet grip rating, anything less than A is no good

Thats complete rubbish. Michelin Pilot Super Sports have a B wet rating and people foam at the mouth when driving on them.

My Vorti's also have a B rating and they're fantastic in all weather's, even when it was - 8c and snowing.

On my 3rd set of MPSS. They are fine in the wet once warmed up. But that takes a good while and when cold they still have me twitching in wet conditions. So yes, they do a decent enough job to get you from A to B in the wet. But they do not fill this Zed driver with a warm secure glow. In the dry they are just fecking ace, once warm, so on ballance perfect for a weekend car that seldom sees a wet road.

 

[andyf1140]

The best thing to look at is the wet grip rating, anything less than A is no good

Thats complete rubbish. Michelin Pilot Super Sports have a B wet rating and people foam at the mouth when driving on them.

My Vorti's also have a B rating and they're fantastic in all weather's, even when it was - 8c and snowing.

On my 3rd set of MPSS. They are fine in the wet once warmed up. But that takes a good while and when cold they still have me twitching in wet conditions. So yes, they do a decent enough job to get you from A to B in the wet. But they do not fill this Zed driver with a warm secure glow. In the dry they are just fecking ace, once warm, so on ballance perfect for a weekend car that seldom sees a wet road.

I've got some "Goodgrips" on the Marlin and they are downright dangerous in the wet, absolutely no grip under braking... amusing considering the name! I'm hoping to get some Uniroyal Rainsport 3s this year.

 

[MACK]

OP as a general rule there's a much much bigger gulf between the budget and the mid range tyres than there is between the high performance ones and the mid range for a road car. You really need to be aiming for at least mid range instead of the ditch finders and if you can afford it the high end stuff. At the end of the day a meters stopping distance can make all the difference really.

 

[Ewazix]

There's a lot of seat of the pants subjectivity with owners tyre reviews (or just pants reviews :wink: ) useful, but well worth checking out against a more scientifically run comparison like the well respected Auto Bild reviews. I found out about AB on the forum and it's well worth a look. Based on their all round performance Vs value I was persuaded towards the Goodyear Eagle range a couple of years ago and have been well pleased, although my seat of the pants assessment is that my previous Falkens suited the Z4 better for ironing out steering twitch and stability, apparently down to tread pattern and shoulder profile.

Previous years reviews may cover superseded tyre specs but the 2019 summer review is out,
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Auto-Bild-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

 

[mr wilks]

although my seat of the pants assessment is that my previous Falkens suited the Z4 better for ironing out steering twitch and stability, apparently down to tread pattern and shoulder profile.

& that pretty much sum's up why all those tyre reviews online are interesting to read but shouldn't form the basis on which you choose a tyre for a specific car that most likely ( as in a Z4 ) has zero likeness to the car the tyres were tested on or that folks online give their opinion & feedback on .
How can a fwd Volvo estate or Focus people carrier handle , grip , brake like a rwd 2 seater sports car :?