Updated COVID 19 Trip Planning

[Anonymous]

For those into more detailed analysis of the latest factual information on COVID this paper analysing UK deaths related to their known medical history makes interesting reading..

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v1

For those not interested in ploughing through the detail a summary could be...

Age is a direct function of likely death, on a very linear log scale, ie every year old increases your probability of death exponentially..

So 40 years olds are 10 times less likely to die than 60 year old which are 10 times less likely to die than 80 year olds..

Men are twice as likely to die than women..

Diabetics are 2-3 times more likely to die than non diabetics..

Most other factors increase your chance of dying by 1.5 to 2 times..

Only transplant people stand out as exceptionally higher risk 4-5 times

I assume if you have several issues they add/multiply in some way..

So given that outside social distancing is very effective but going to common toilets / sharing cutlery, plates is bad news it seems that hooning around with a flask of coffee , sandwiches and peeing in the bushes is the way to go for the over 50s

 

[mmm-five]

Over 50 x overweight x diabetic x male = dead.

I'm staying indoors

...and no reason not to when I'm not furloughed, and am simply able to work from home full-time.

 

[Z4paul]

A sobering but encouraging summary +1 for the hooning around, coffee and inevitable pee stop. If you have a bike and the right environment near you I would also recommend getting out, slowing down and exploring lanes and local national cycle routes if you are able - massively therapeutic in my view...looking for smiling cyclist emoji !!

 

[Tinker15]

I think any trip now is a question of common sense and weighing up the risk for your age and circumstances. I’m 78 but in good health and my wife is 65. On Friday we drove the 30 miles or so to Buxton and enjoyed a pleasant stroll around Pavilion Gardens. It’s a large area and there were plenty of people there enjoying the sunshine. Everyone was sticking to social distancing and therefore minimal risk.
We can’t stay locked up forever and providing everyone is sensible then we shouldn’t come to any harm.

 

[Anonymous]

I think any trip now is a question of common sense and weighing up the risk for your age and circumstances. I’m 78 but in good health and my wife is 65. On Friday we drove the 30 miles or so to Buxton and enjoyed a pleasant stroll around Pavilion Gardens. It’s a large area and there were plenty of people there enjoying the sunshine. Everyone was sticking to social distancing and therefore minimal risk.
We can’t stay locked up forever and providing everyone is sensible then we shouldn’t come to any harm.

I agree with you..the issue is clarity of information/education...

Seems to me the UK government has reached the conclusion that despite the fact that compared to most other countries definitions of control of the virus England is hardly under control but they can;t contain the public / accept the economic damage..

So for England I think we’ll see infections at the 5000-8000 per day and fatalities at 100-300 per day as ‘collateral damage’ until vaccines / anti virals become effective..

The same report suggests that 0.9% of the population that are exposed would die across the UK despite the best medical care..with 7% of the population calculated to be exposed, and with a view that 70% of cases are a symptomatic it’s the luck of of the draw if you interact with new people as to whether you could catch it..

Personally I didn’t really think it was that bad for me, but with what I now know I think it’s going to travel via car, with a flask of coffee and treating public toilets like a bio hazard... :thumbsdown:

 

[Tinker15]

Personally I didn’t really think it was that bad for me, but with what I now know I think it’s going to travel via car, with a flask of coffee and treating public toilets like a bio hazard...

Agree. I don’t think public toilets are high on my list of places to visit at the moment. Not that there were any open in Buxton. It does rather restrict you as to how far you can travel as although it’s easy for a sneaky pee if you’re a man it’s not so easy for a woman!

 

[Chippie]

Personally I didn’t really think it was that bad for me, but with what I now know I think it’s going to travel via car, with a flask of coffee and treating public toilets like a bio hazard...

Agree. I don’t think public toilets are high on my list of places to visit at the moment. Not that there were any open in Buxton. It does rather restrict you as to how far you can travel as although it’s easy for a sneaky pee if you’re a man it’s not so easy for a woman!

It might be worth investing in one of these :roll:
https://www.shewee.com/shewee-flexi.html

 

[Anonymous]

Personally I didn’t really think it was that bad for me, but with what I now know I think it’s going to travel via car, with a flask of coffee and treating public toilets like a bio hazard...

Agree. I don’t think public toilets are high on my list of places to visit at the moment. Not that there were any open in Buxton. It does rather restrict you as to how far you can travel as although it’s easy for a sneaky pee if you’re a man it’s not so easy for a woman!

It might be worth investing in one of these :roll:
https://www.shewee.com/shewee-flexi.html

The aircraft we operated were 4 person, sit down only, no walk around cabin...

https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/special-mission/aircraft/da42-mpp/overview/

When we did long range ferry, or loiter operations the planes could go about 8 hours non stop we offered these to crew...

https://www.tena.co.uk/men/products/incontinence-pants/tena-pants-maxi-incontinence-pants

and these..

https://www.flightstore.co.uk/pilot-supplies-c1/restop-disposable-travel-toilet-3-pack-p850

We never enquired how they got on but the supplies did get steadily consumed..

It was never disclosed who was the most frequent user...

Mind you a lot of our crews were in their 20s...

When I was flying I always suggested a 3-4 flight then re-fuel..

 

[Chippie]

Agree. I don’t think public toilets are high on my list of places to visit at the moment. Not that there were any open in Buxton. It does rather restrict you as to how far you can travel as although it’s easy for a sneaky pee if you’re a man it’s not so easy for a woman!

It might be worth investing in one of these :roll:
https://www.shewee.com/shewee-flexi.html

The aircraft we operated were 4 person, sit down only, no walk around cabin...

https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/special-mission/aircraft/da42-mpp/overview/

When we did long range ferry, or loiter operations the planes could go about 8 hours non stop we offered these to crew...

https://www.tena.co.uk/men/products/incontinence-pants/tena-pants-maxi-incontinence-pants

and these..

https://www.flightstore.co.uk/pilot-supplies-c1/restop-disposable-travel-toilet-3-pack-p850

We never enquired how they got on but the supplies did get steadily consumed..

It was never disclosed who was the most frequent user...

Mind you a lot of our crews were in their 20s...

When I was flying I always suggested a 3-4 flight then re-fuel..

That’s settled then, there is no reason our better half’s can’t accompany us on our road trips

 

[Mr Tidy]

So based on this would I be right in thinking that there is no reason it would be inappropriate for some of us to meet up now, so long as we maintained social distancing?

 

[Anonymous]

So based on this would I be right in thinking that there is no reason it would be inappropriate for some of us to meet up now, so long as we maintained social distancing?

From all the current info, staying at 2m outside and eating your own sarnies and drinking your own coffee seems a ok to me, obviously respective governments overlay their own rules which we have to respect..well some of us do..

Of course that’s IMHO etc etc..

Of course meeting up in hazmat suits is safer but even for me thats the law of diminishing returns.. :thumbsdown:

 

[TONYMOR]

I agree with mr Tidys last post.

 

[AlienZed]

So given that outside social distancing is very effective but going to common toilets / sharing cutlery, plates is bad news it seems that hooning around with a flask of coffee , sandwiches and peeing in the bushes is the way to go for the over 50s
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Been doing that that for years, no change there then.

 

[Chris_D]

A sobering but encouraging summary +1 for the hooning around, coffee and inevitable pee stop. If you have a bike and the right environment near you I would also recommend getting out, slowing down and exploring lanes and local national cycle routes if you are able - massively therapeutic in my view...looking for smiling cyclist emoji !!

Agree. Until you get a fekin puncture along the way. What a chew swapping in a new innertube with tight-fitting tyres when that happens!
:roll:

 

[TONYMOR]

That I totally agree with.

 

[Z4paul]

Feel your pain Chris, I think my record must have been 4 on one 50 mile ride, farmers who cut their black thorn hedges and leave it strewn across a track need to feel this too!! Hope you got back without too many scrapes and bumps