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[Scubaregs]

Remember a summer in the 70's that was record breaking.

Humans have only been on the Earth for 0.007% of its existence. We have records for a minuscule amount of that 0.007%.
Simply put, we have no idea how the Earth has behaved before records began. No doubt we are not helping, but it is impossible to say if the current "crisis" is entirely human made.

Pretty sure there was a small island somewhere that was meant to be underwater 10-20 years ago according to the experts if we didn't immediately change our ways. Still dry land.

 

[Nictrix]

Remember a summer in the 70's that was record breaking.

Humans have only been on the Earth for 0.007% of its existence. We have records for a minuscule amount of that 0.007%.
Simply put, we have no idea how the Earth has behaved before records began. No doubt we are not helping, but it is impossible to say if the current "crisis" is entirely human made.

Pretty sure there was a small island somewhere that was meant to be underwater 10-20 years ago according to the experts if we didn't immediately change our ways. Still dry land.

Im sure they used to market the Maldives like that, that sometime soon they would be gone but their still there.

 

[inkey$]

Interesting read. I’d love to know how responses correspond to generation/age.
We need a poll!

 

[Pondrew]

We need a poll!

I'll go out and get one. There are thousands of 'em where I live.
Or "jam roll" as some of us call them! :lol:

 

[Scubaregs]

 

[TitanTim]

There will be a detrimental effect without a doubt, but the argument is that even if there was not a single human on earth, the warming (or changing) cycle still happens

Probably true, it's just slightly unfortunate we seem to be helping it along too much in the wrong direction.

A few years back when global warming was becoming the buzz word it was something you thought at the time would happen in a 100 years from now and nothing to lose sleep over but you can't deny all of a sudden it seems to be on our doorstep

Tim.

Is it though?
Do summers seem hotter and last longer than they did when you were young?
I dont think they are.

Think it's more to do with the extremes though isn't it? Last year we had record temps in this country over 40C and look
at it today 13C for August and relentless rain yet not that far away its constant wild fires and temps of high 40sC.

Tim.

 

[MikeyH]

There will be a detrimental effect without a doubt, but the argument is that even if there was not a single human on earth, the warming (or changing) cycle still happens

Probably true, it's just slightly unfortunate we seem to be helping it along too much in the wrong direction.

A few years back when global warming was becoming the buzz word it was something you thought at the time would happen in a 100 years from now and nothing to lose sleep over but you can't deny all of a sudden it seems to be on our doorstep

Tim.

Is it though?
Do summers seem hotter and last longer than they did when you were young?
I dont think they are.

In the 60s and early 70s summers seemed to be hot, dry, dusty and endless. Now they last a couple of weeks and that's it. I do remember though someone saying that global warming would bring wetter summers.

 

[Nictrix]

Probably true, it's just slightly unfortunate we seem to be helping it along too much in the wrong direction.

A few years back when global warming was becoming the buzz word it was something you thought at the time would happen in a 100 years from now and nothing to lose sleep over but you can't deny all of a sudden it seems to be on our doorstep

Tim.

Is it though?
Do summers seem hotter and last longer than they did when you were young?
I dont think they are.

In the 60s and early 70s summers seemed to be hot, dry, dusty and endless. Now they last a couple of weeks and that's it. I do remember though someone saying that global warming would bring wetter summers.

Is this why they have gone for a rebrand and its climate change now instead of global warming?
Coming from Scotland I was looking forward to some global warming

 

[pvr]

Why do you think we have the highest concentration of convertibles in the UK? It is all that brainwashing that we are going to have hot summers

 

[smorris_12]

It's not "global warming" per se, it's "climate change". Things are getting more extreme, the seasons are getting more out of kilter. And part of it is, as seen in southern Europe and Australia, ever higher peak temperatures. Whether the natural cycle is heading towards warmer conditions or not, the sheer amount of low level waste heat we generate and the eternal lofting of CO2 into the atmosphere obviously isn't going to do anything any favours. Practical examples include various glaciers that couldn't retreat any quicker if they had a gang of navvies with explosives and blowtorches going at them.

Here's a good one: Take the useful power output generated by nuclear reactors around the world which are nominally A Good Thing. It's something like 360 gigawatt of electricity. Now, nuclear reactors are about 25% thermally efficient so we're looking at 3 x 360 = 1080 GW of waste heat being dumped in the oceans via the cooling systems. Just over 1 terawatt. That's 500 million kettle elements running. All day and night. All year round. Tell me that's not going to warm things up.

The "it's not as hot as 1976" and "it's raining in August" casual denial is just pub talk, which is fair enough in the pub or on here, but it's also ever-more favoured by those in charge who, whether they see the writing on the wall or not, don't give a fig. Look at Sunak. Going against ULEZ suddenly looks like a vote winner so he's all over that like a rash. And, if that feeds into the loony media we suffer with in this country, and gives them the position to make similarly vacuous denials about climate change that please the general public who really rather wish it would all just go away so we can get on with having cars, barbecues, foreign holidays and doing just what the f*** we want, then everyone's happy, the can gets kicked further down the road until just after we're dead and gone and no-one really has to do anything about anything.

I'm not a weird-beard eco type (promise), just someone staring at the abyss that's rushing towards us (he said mixing his metaphors.)

 

[MikeyH]

Is it though?
Do summers seem hotter and last longer than they did when you were young?
I dont think they are.

In the 60s and early 70s summers seemed to be hot, dry, dusty and endless. Now they last a couple of weeks and that's it. I do remember though someone saying that global warming would bring wetter summers.

Is this why they have gone for a rebrand and its climate change now instead of global warming?
Coming from Scotland I was looking forward to some global warming

Supposedly more that the rest of Europe put together, although I find that hard to believe

 

[BeeEmm]

I hate pollution. It makes me cough, it is smelly and my instinct tells me it is not good for me. But I do like the occasional smell of ‘spent’ diesel’ possibly because I worked in the bus industry for a few years and it brings back memories, but I hate pollution. Since cars were fitted with catalytic convertors, things got better, but walking along a busy High Street you can smell pollution from older vehicles and sometimes it can be choking. I would like air pollution to be improved as I hate pollution. I feel that I can do something about that as it is local and if I continue to drive a Hybrid car that can do 20 miles on one charge then that is something. I can use it in town. When I want to travel out of town the straight six cylinder petrol engine ‘kicks in’ and I don’t add to city pollution and I feel that it more easily dispenses into the countryside. Not perfect, but I cannot afford my favourite 100% electric car yet as I am saving up the £96,000 to buy it.
On a larger scale we hear about Global Warming. My feeling on that is, that the little bit I do is offset by the huge amounts of wasted energy, pollution, armed warfare, missile testing, aircraft carriers, aeroplanes, tanks etc. throughout the world. When Britain, and other countries stop having these extremely costly and ozone pollutants in the name of Defence then I will try harder thus contributing more to saving earth. I really do hate pollution. I also hate climate protesters and Manchester City Football Club.

 

[Nanu]

I‘m curious to know how they determined what the temperatures were prior to when records began!

One of the ways are tree rings.
A trees growth is determined by the weather. The amount of growth and the hardness of that growth will be determined by temperature and humidity. We know from the last 100 years or so what the weather has been like and we have the trees from the last hundred years to compare.
If we have a tree that's 1000 years old then we have a record going back 1000 years. Even fossil trees can give data. All more accurate than computer modelling.

 

[ronk]

The tree ring thing is a very broad brush I was told.

 

[Nanu]

We all know from Covid how accurate computer modelling is :rofl: :rofl:

Cr*p in equals cr*p out as the saying goes.

As for climate change, its not man made, check out El Nino and the effects it has on the planets weather every 7 to 10 years. It's happening this year in the pacific.

 

[Pondrew]

The tree is a very broad bush I was told.

Fixed the typos for you, Ron! Yes it is, and a taller one, generally!

 

[ronk]

Do you want to awaken the fella from Fife? :rofl:

 

[Pondrew]

As for climate change, its not man made

Maybe not but I think there is pretty hard evidence to show that we are speeding the process exponentially quicker than "mother nature" is comfortable with. We have been doing this for a good few hundred years, just that it's only recently have we had the science and tools to notice it.
Ice ages and Global warming ages tend to happen naturally, yes, but gradually over thousands of years. I see the problem being we are adding to it in a much shorter time frame. Nature don't like it, so it will (and is starting to) get upset and bite us hard.

Forcing millions of people into EVs, having ULEZ and making us heat our homes with ASHPs is NOT going to make a shite of difference, though, IMO. All these type of things do is move the problem to somewhere else and as said above "kick the can down the road".

The ASHP conversation is one that I know a bit about. I can 100% promise that installing them instead of traditional gas boilers will do virtually nothing to cut emissions, if any, in this Country. They are no use for Countries that have cold winters; what are they going to do?

All they will do is cost everyone a lot more money (including the Gov as they still have partial grants for them).

 

[Pondrew]

Do you want to awaken the fella from Fife?

I heard he died of Covid!

 

[Mr Tidy]

Why do you think we have the highest concentration of convertibles in the UK? It is all that brainwashing that we are going to have hot summers

I didn't get taken in by that nonsense - a roof and CC works just fine and looks better too.