Ulez

[ronk]

Then if we run out of sparks in the ulez:-

 

[Pondrew]

I just saw an advert on the bottom banner of the forum for "environmentally friendly electric scooters". The type you stand on, not a motorcycle type.

They will use Li-ion batteries, which need re-charging using the national grid (which is still using coal, gas and whatever). How the hell is that environmentally friendly, when those type of scooters always used to use 'leg power'? That has always been environmentally friendly. See, we are doomed!

 

[pvr]

Odd isn’t it that you get “free” charging help if you run out of electricity in an EV, but get a fine if you run out of petrol.

Same type of planning though

 

[Nanu]

If changing to cleaner transport systems (such as synthetic fuel, electric, hydrogen or even magnets when it comes to trains) is to cut pollution and making our cities cleaner and nicer places to live, then I am all for it.

If it's meant to change our climate and bring down the planets temperatures, that is for the birds.

The planet, despite what a fanatic from Greenpeace was spouting today, that last month was the hottest month 'ever' (then he said for the last 120,000 years), has been warmer in the past. Some say in medieval times it was up to 4 degrees warmer and they had no cars, gas or oil then.

 

[pvr]

And there had been ice ages and melting of that again as well

 

[Nanu]

And there had been ice ages and melting of that again as well

I remember being at school in the late 60s being told that scientists were predicting that we were going to have a mini ice age within the next decade with half of Europe freezing over.

Must have missed that

 

[Nictrix]

As a fairly small country, in the big scheme of things, what we do in this country has little effect on what happens to the world.
Until the big polluters of the world start changing things then I dont think we will make any impact.

I wonder what will happen in the Ulez zones if nobody enters it with a car thats non compliant?
Will it be marked as a success as no dirty old vehicles will have been polluting the air, or a disaster as they will not have received any money in fines?

 

[ronk]

I wonder what will happen in the Ulez zones if nobody enters it with a car thats non compliant?
Will it be marked as a success as no dirty old vehicles will have been polluting the air, or a disaster as they will not have received any money in fines?

I’m sure they will get the revenue somehow or other!
Parking charges, congestion charges, box junction infringements, crossing white lines - they will probably try for driving over potholes!

 

[MikeyH]

All new petrol cars from 2006 are Euro 4 compliant and all diesels are Euro 6 compliant from late 2015. There is a scrapage scheme in place for those effected by the new ULEZ zones of £2k for cars that do not meet the standard, anyone claiming benefits or a child allowance is eligible. So can you buy a seventeen year old petrol car for £2k? Eligibility and amount of the scrapage scheme should be the actual debate not whether it’s right or wrong. Leave that to the scientists and health professionals, the guidelines for particulates and NOX levels are issued by WHO not the councils or government

I really think you need to watch this guys latest YouTube video, he gets quite unusually heated. Brown Car Guy, ULEZ: Scrappage Extension = Smoke Screen!! Tell us what you think.

 

[MikeyH]

I wonder what will happen in the Ulez zones if nobody enters it with a car thats non compliant?
Will it be marked as a success as no dirty old vehicles will have been polluting the air, or a disaster as they will not have received any money in fines?

I’m sure they will get the revenue somehow or other!
Parking charges, congestion charges, box junction infringements, crossing white lines - they will probably try for driving over potholes!

Picking your nose when driving

 

[MikeyH]

Our democratic rights are disappearing, George Orwell here we come. :headbang: :thumbsdown: Time to get your blue overalls before they sellout.

 

[BMWZ4MC]

Picking your nose when driving

If I’d been able to pick my nose, I wouldn’t have picked this one. I’ve always wanted a more distinguished nose, perhaps one befitting a Roman senator…

 

[pvr]

Thanks for that mental image

 

[sars]

And there had been ice ages and melting of that again as well

I remember being at school in the late 60s being told that scientists were predicting that we were going to have a mini ice age within the next decade with half of Europe freezing over.

Must have missed that

You may choose to believe that the majority of the scientific community and environmentalists are wrong, it would not be the first time that we’ve not wanted to believe a scientific hypothesis. We believed that the Earth was the centre of our solar system and universe, that all the stars rotated around us, this took almost 1,400 years since first hypothesised, until it was widely accepted, funnily enough the flat earth theory had been disproven some 1,300 years earlier.

It beggars belief that there remain neigh-sayers that believe all this destruction and pollution that we do, isn’t having a detrimental affect on the environment :headbang:

 

[pvr]

There will be a detrimental effect without a doubt, but the argument is that even if there was not a single human on earth, the warming (or changing) cycle still happens

 

[Nictrix]

There will be a detrimental effect without a doubt, but the argument is that even if there was not a single human on earth, the warming (or changing) cycle still happens

Exactly

 

[ronk]

I‘m curious to know how they determined what the temperatures were prior to when records began!

 

[TitanTim]

There will be a detrimental effect without a doubt, but the argument is that even if there was not a single human on earth, the warming (or changing) cycle still happens

Probably true, it's just slightly unfortunate we seem to be helping it along too much in the wrong direction.

A few years back when global warming was becoming the buzz word it was something you thought at the time would happen in a 100 years from now and nothing to lose sleep over but you can't deny all of a sudden it seems to be on our doorstep

Tim.

 

[Nictrix]

There will be a detrimental effect without a doubt, but the argument is that even if there was not a single human on earth, the warming (or changing) cycle still happens

Probably true, it's just slightly unfortunate we seem to be helping it along too much in the wrong direction.

A few years back when global warming was becoming the buzz word it was something you thought at the time would happen in a 100 years from now and nothing to lose sleep over but you can't deny all of a sudden it seems to be on our doorstep

Tim.

Is it though?
Do summers seem hotter and last longer than they did when you were young?
I dont think they are.

 

[Pondrew]

Do summers seem hotter and last longer than they did when you were young?

Not this bloody one doesn't! 5th August in the middle of England (east side) and it's 13 degrees celcius and been pissing down all day!