Ukraine - What are putins reasons.

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Lifer
 Durham
This was sent to me but i have not verified any of them as fact- if only some are true then that might be a reason- it remains unjustified nevertheless!

The same reasons that Hitler raided so many countries - to enable him to get even more natural resources and power to maintain his war efforts. If Putin succeeds in this he will try fulfil his dreams of being a one-man world despot


Why Putin want's Ukraine?

For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
It is the second largest country by area in Europe and has a population of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium
ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores
(2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves
(22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports.
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrators;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
 
I did hear somewhere that Ukraine produces 12.5% of the world's wheat.
 
Probably one of the reasons why Wheat prices have escalated last week.

March 2020, Brent Crude was at a bargain of $27 a barrel, today it’s $118 a barrel, the only thing we have hope is the Iranian denuclearisation deal going through so they can start offloading all that oil they’ve been making but not being able to sell. The thing is there’s not actually a shortage of oil, just the speculators getting jittery that they may pull the plug on Russia’s supply.
 
I'm not sure he has any reasons anymore... anyone that can mass murder is off the scale. Needs his cronies to muster some balls and take him out.
 
Echoing John E89…who knows what is in Putin’s mind.

I doubt very much it’s natural resources that are driving him.

Russia is a massive country with huge amounts of natural resources…the issue for Russia is capital and the skills to exploit those resources and economic structures to facilitate that capital and resources.

Hitler had Lebensraum and the Japanese had very few natural resources so their motivations were in part driven by these ideas.

The good news is that Hitler, the Japanese at that time and Putin don’t believe that other nation states matter and the people in those nation states are disposable in the fullest sense.. :thumbsup:
 
john-e89 said:
I'm not sure he has any reasons anymore... anyone that can mass murder is off the scale. Needs his cronies to muster some balls and take him out.
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Another Claus von Stauffenberg!
 
It's all about him leaving a legacy. He wants to be remembered as the leader that restores Russia to what it was when he was in the KGB, the old USSR and he will not stop at Ukraine. The only thing that will stop him is as already stated, his own generals.

That could come about as a result of a bounty on his head (Bigger than the £1M already), him wanting to go nuclear but it's his generals that actually have their fingers on the button, and they say no, or perhaps immunity from war crimes if they take him down.

My bet would be on the latter.
 
Fair point Rob,
So I'll forego a late career change to psychology & that type of thing I think :)
Roberlt
 
Watching Biden the other night, he looked like a dithering old man looking for his carpet slippers.
 
Here's a rational, informed and intelligent hypothesis as to the reasons why Puty McF*ckface is doing what he's doing for all you Daily Mail reading armchair socio-economic analysts.
From 2015 after the Crimean invasion but still applies to current events.
Listen out for why he thinks the US won't get too involved in the Ukraine situation; for the same reasons they didn't wade in on the Crimea situation- because it has no strategic benefit to the US in the global balance of power.
Remember, this video was made 7 years ago and apart from the names quoted (Obama, Rice, et al) it could almost be from this month!
[youtube]JrMiSQAGOS4[/youtube]
 
Nanu said:
It's all about him leaving a legacy. He wants to be remembered as the leader that restores Russia to what it was when he was in the KGB, the old USSR and he will not stop at Ukraine. The only thing that will stop him is as already stated, his own generals.

That could come about as a result of a bounty on his head (Bigger than the £1M already), him wanting to go nuclear but it's his generals that actually have their fingers on the button, and they say no, or perhaps immunity from war crimes if they take him down.

My bet would be on the latter.
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This is 100% my take on it as well - he wants the USSR restored, however, how do those people have experienced freedom react when they have to back to a third world dictatorship
 
Ole gits rule said:
Smartbear said:
Roberltd2 said:
An armchair keyboard psychologist's p.o.v.
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The problem is that Biden’s forgotten what he’s determined about :(
Rob
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Agreed, he is not the leader to take on Putin
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Could be a blessing in disguise though, a more cautious reserved approach? If say Trump was still on the scene we might all be dead 5 tiimes over by now Alternatively call the bullies bluff and give the same treatment back in the hope they back down. The problem is Putin is deranged so a risky plan.

Tim.
 
TitanTim said:
Ole gits rule said:
Smartbear said:
The problem is that Biden’s forgotten what he’s determined about :(
Rob
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Agreed, he is not the leader to take on Putin
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Could be a blessing in disguise though, a more cautious reserved approach? If say Trump was still on the scene we might all be dead 5 tiimes over by now Alternatively call the bullies bluff and give the same treatment back in the hope they back down. The problem is Putin is deranged so a risky plan.

Tim.
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Several good points there Tim, I agree a cautious approach is right but if we allow him to go unchecked where will he stop, Georgia / Moldava or is it Poland next.

I am not certain he is deranged, just a blinkered man who only sees Russia as a major player in the world and has no concept that people do not want to be ruled by an overlord.

On Trump, I do wonder if he would have done this if Trump was there as he is unstable and Putin and he would have reacted differently.

Which ever is right or wrong, this should never have happened and it needs to stop quickly.
 
Ole gits rule said:
TitanTim said:
Ole gits rule said:
Agreed, he is not the leader to take on Putin
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Could be a blessing in disguise though, a more cautious reserved approach? If say Trump was still on the scene we might all be dead 5 tiimes over by now Alternatively call the bullies bluff and give the same treatment back in the hope they back down. The problem is Putin is deranged so a risky plan.

Tim.
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Several good points there Tim, I agree a cautious approach is right but if we allow him to go unchecked where will he stop, Georgia / Moldava or is it Poland next.

I am not certain he is deranged, just a blinkered man who only sees Russia as a major player in the world and has no concept that people do not want to be ruled by an overlord.

On Trump, I do wonder if he would have done this if Trump was there as he is unstable and Putin and he would have reacted differently.

Which ever is right or wrong, this should never have happened and it needs to stop quickly.
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Some good comments by Rear Admiral Chris Parry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiEUBSyiOtY

Tim.
 
There are also some other possibilities,
The coup in 2014 supported by the west which installed a pro west government
The coup installed pro west government that is actively seeking NATO membership
The ongoing attacks by the Ukrainian military including ultra right wing neo-Nazis on Russians in the east
The ongoing civil war
The suppression and oppression of the Russian people in Ukraine
The ongoing expansion of NATO towards Russia
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Chris_D said:
Here's a rational, informed and intelligent hypothesis as to the reasons why Puty McF*ckface is doing what he's doing for all you Daily Mail reading armchair socio-economic analysts.
From 2015 after the Crimean invasion but still applies to current events.
Listen out for why he thinks the US won't get too involved in the Ukraine situation; for the same reasons they didn't wade in on the Crimea situation- because it has no strategic benefit to the US in the global balance of power.
Remember, this video was made 7 years ago and apart from the names quoted (Obama, Rice, et al) it could almost be from this month!
[youtube]JrMiSQAGOS4[/youtube]
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Seen this mentioned before, will give it a listen :thumbsup:
 
Flyingfifer said:
There are also some other possibilities,
The coup in 2014 supported by the west which installed a pro west government
The coup installed pro west government that is actively seeking NATO membership
The ongoing attacks by the Ukrainian military including ultra right wing neo-Nazis on Russians in the east
The ongoing civil war
The suppression and oppression of the Russian people in Ukraine
The ongoing expansion of NATO towards Russia
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Prof Mearsheimer covers many if not all of those points in his lecture.
They make infinitely more sense than some of the idiotic theories proposed here already such as 'Putin wants to recreate the USSR, Putin is deranged' etc.
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