Ukraine and my relatives

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’ve had many messages from friends and neighbours and some forumites who know my family background about the situation in Ukraine and my relatives there.

I’ve drafted a response (which is long) to those requests for information and I’ve cross posted to those social network groups that I interact with and/or manage. Apologies if you see it more than once.

For those that are not aware I was born of a Ukrainian father and Estonian mother here in the UK. They came to the UK after the Second World War having been in displaced persons camps on this side of the Iron Curtain when it came down. Unable to go home they moved to the UK at the request of the then UK government as part of the need for labour.

I was brought up in a house where the political situation in the then USSR was a frequent topic and the demise of the Warsaw Pact / USSR was not surprisingly greeted by them with joy.

Unfortunately by the time this happened they were in relatively poor health and they died in exile, never seeing their homelands again.
I took my father’s ashes back to the now independent state of Ukraine in 1994 and through a set of consequences that were far stranger than fiction became reunited with his surviving family members in a remote village near Poltava.

I’ve subsequently followed closely the evolution of a democratic nation state that has falteringly moved to become a western facing democracy that has divorced itself from its former overlord.

To the current position, I have family, half of which lives in Kiev. The Kiev based folks are down near the Moldavian border in the south east or back in their old house near Poltava where my cousin Petro Petrovitch is an old man, normally living on his own. I have another relative near Kremenchuk but have been unable to contact her.

They are frightened and angry as all Ukrainians are of course but with their AK47s and Molotov cocktails they are not giving up without a fight.
Despite the impossible situation they fight on, fortunately due to the lack of size of the Russian forces relative to the size of the country, 5 times larger than England and its 44m population, and on the basis they thought it was going to be easy, the Russian strategy to date has been to focus on trying to decapitate the Ukrainian government without going on a flagrant scorched earth policy (unusual for them, but politics still does have an effect).

As a result most of the fighting, so far, has passed my family by.

So there are dreadful casualties and stories of heroism and as I write it’s not clear what the end political solution will be.

I say political because there is no way that Putin will ever subjugate the Ukrainian people. It’s now too late, and his disconnected from reality views of former Russian empires and his desire to create a new one in his demented vision will not work, ever.

So the situation is very bleak, but it will be a transient period..when I say transient it may be 20 years!

However at some point, the Ukrainians will re-establish themselves as a democratic, western orientated entity, unfortunately there will be much pain and sorrow before that.

Whether there will be a guerrilla war, or a sufficiently benign puppet government that people accept on a short term basis is created who knows.

People ask me how I feel, and it’s been very difficult.

I find myself quietly weeping with sorrow..that this nation that has spent most of the last 100 years under the ruthless suppression of a string of dictators and has had only the briefest of time to enjoy the light of democracy and liberalism should yet again be subjected to a dictator with his distorted sense of history and his place in it.

I do know that this situation will not endure forever and one day Ukraine shall be a free and independent nation.
And to the western nations, what is it that they must now recognise and do?

There can be now not doubt in anyone’s’ minds, that Putin is a deranged demigod with parallel behaviours to Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein and many others. This situation will not re-stabilise till Putin is gone, by his death or by being deposed.
However that could take 10 or 20 years.

The only way that the west will initially halt his Russian Empire vision is by collective response using the most powerful constructs the west can muster, i.e. NATO and the EU and their onward connections and relationships.

It will take a combination of economic sanctions and constructs that have not been seen before together with an increase in military spending that hasn’t ben seem since the height of the cold war.

These actions will have profound effects on the people’s living standards and normal first world priorities.

If sustained they will in the end cripple Putin and his regime, just as the west brought the USSR to its knees by out spending and out deploying its military capabilities.

Whether the western world has the ability to maintain very long tem strategies and avoid collapsing into short term expediencies, who knows?
 

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Uncertain and worrying times, we can only hope that common sense prevails, unfortunately the people in charge don’t always see this and things may get far worse,
 
Peter, I feel for you and you family in Ukraine, the situation is not good and I hope someone in Russian has the sense to realise that Putin is going to put Russia back 50 years and deposes him quickly.

The man thinks that the USSR needs to be rebuilt but he is living in the past, IMHO NATO is no threat to Russia it's the other way round and he has proved it - all they need is one sensible leader and Russia will be fine in a world with order.

I have said it before, if Trump was there he would never have started this, Trump was so unpredictable that even Putin would not try to second guess him, the issue is Biden is weak and he proved it with pulling out of Afghanistan.

I hope your family stay safe and keep us updated with their situation
 
I would be cautious about any praise for Trump in the current situation - This is a headline from Sky News:-

Former US President Donald Trump has described Vladimir Putin's aggression towards Ukraine as "genius", "wonderful" and "very savvy".

I don’t think that is a very helpful or reassuring statement (if indeed if it’s been reported correctly)

Ps. I don’t want Peters posts to be taken off thread.
 
It’s a god awful situation for anyone to be put in against their will by a bullying madman living in the past. My thoughts go out to you Peter, your family and all of Ukraine and hope the killing ends soon. Mike.
 
I wished I’d not said that my cousin living near Poltava was likely to be in the clear…..about 30 minutes after I posted this I got a WhatsApp from him saying that Russian tanks had rumbled past their dacha and then there was a firefight about 10 kms further on….

They are relatively near the Russian border not far from Kursk for those that like tanks..it’s relatively flat terrain, the bread basket of Ukraine as they call it..so pretty easy for armoured vehicles to wander at will…

His AK47 was not deployed…probably wise..a 55 year old guy with an AK47 versus a column of Russian tanks….not a good outcome..
 
Great piece Peter, my thoughts are with all Ukrainians at this time. Will our political leaders in the west, never learn, force is the only way to deal with dictators and I hope that the Ukrainian people can effectively carry out a guerrilla war over the next ten years until they’ve had enough. Arming the people with free weapons was a master-stoke
 
Great post. The vast majority of Australians absolutely support Ukraine. A pity that the only visible presence the west can offer is merely sanctions....but with a clearly unhinged person in charge of the nuclear button caution needs to be applied. I'm sure there is more going on behind the scenes than we know about, but I can't help but feel that, ultimately, it's going to take force from the west to remove Russians from a place I'm sure most of their troops don't want to be.
 
Fascinating, thought provoking and disturbing reading Peter. I wish you and your Ukrainian relatives well and hope that some form of normality can be restored sooner rather than later :(
 
I'd like to thank everyone for their both public and private messages of support at this time. Very very touching and very emotional.

As a de-facto citizen of Ukraine, I feel its my duty to do everything I can to ensure that those who initiated these crimes are brought to justice in this world or another one.

To that end I will articulate the cause of the Ukrainians and as such the values of liberal democracy that most of the Western World aspires too.

I'll remind people that in the darker and tougher times that lay ahead that the sacrifices everyone will have to make, be they very modest or profound are a necessary part of the re-establishing a more appropriate world order.

Being of Ukrainian extraction I will be relentless, syubborn and persistant in this pursuit but as is typical of those peoples I will use humour, dark and flippant and reasoned arguments as tools to call out these injustices and help the world address them.

If you find it boring, repetitive, or it otherwise offends you, you can always block my posts :thumbsup:
 
Personally I find it difficult to put into words what this monster is doing. Obvs it's gone on before through history but in this day and age I'm lost for words. The lies and propaganda he's feeding the Russian people to justify his actions is beyond my comprehension tbh.
 
Stories like this really make the conflict and situation real - thanks for posting Peter and I hope that your relatives will be able to stay safe.

I do think Putin has made a fatal error from which there will be no coming back. It's so encouraging to see the increasingingly unified approach of the west. Some of the measures at first glance seem quite superficial but I think their effect on public opinion in Russia may yet have an important part to play. But most importantly I think the spirit of the Ukranianian people and the strong leadership of their president are worth more than any number of tanks and missiles. Ukraine will surely emerge from this a stronger and more robust democracy than before and as President Zelensky said - "the morning will come"
 
Moving to read Peter and best wishes that your family will be ok and safe.

Lets hope all this ends quickly, the suffering already is heartbreaking and seeing how brave the Ukranians are being and their resolve to repel Russia is heartwarming during this dark time.

Tim.
 
I've changed my profile to 'public'...this allows my posts to be shared by my 'friends' to other pages, if they so wish. Othewise the content is not shared.

If you want to follow my story you can find me at

https://www.facebook.com/peter.bondar.16/

I'm planning to try and keep the Ukrainian situation topical but hopefully not by simply re-posting other social media or just whining away here..
So amongst other things I'll post little snippets about my family and how history played out for them, and how, in many ways this is an allegorical story of the current context..its a non linear story..for a bit of variety...

So for today here is a picture of my visit to see my cousin Petro Petrovitch (next to me), his son Иван Кваснивский (far left) and daughter Наталия Иванюта (next to Petro's wife) with their respective partners and their children.

It was shot in 1995 at Petro's dacha (which in this case you can see behind us.

Sadly Petro's wife passed away last year.

It was February and about -20c..fortunately I was running on a diet of black bread, salt, pork fat, gherkins and samahonka, home brewed /distilled rocket fuel) hence my slightly bemused smile..

I'll talk about life in rural Ukraine another time..
 

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Interesting pic, but before I get any more involved in the thread please tell me there won't be a spelling test on names. :)
 
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