UKIP. Would You?

You'll get no argument from me. As long as there's a safety net for the genuinely needy. I for one would not be prepared to see us go back to Victorian times which is where Cameron would have us. I'd like to see all politicians paid only the national average wage and no recourse to second incomes. Then watch the feckers start working to improve things for everyone.

Maybe it's old age, or having kids, but based on income etc I should be a natural Tory voter, I am their stereotypical demographic. Whereas I find myself with far more of a social conscience. I can't stand the b4stard Tories though, and that adenoidal tw4t Milliband is worse. Oh, and the lib dems proved themselves equally untrustworthy and have shown their true colours too.

Feck the lot of them. Self serving, nose in the trough, expense crazed fuckwits. We should be able to actively vote against them, not just for the least worst options that we have now.
 
Sounds like we need a new political party then. One that rewards hard work, good citizenship and seeks to make the state as small and efficient as possible, so that people can keep as much as possible of their hard earned money, but doesn't tolerate scroungers, criminals or the corrupt.
 
original guvnor said:
When you have a Labour Party, ahead in the polls, despite consistently f***ing the country up at every opportunity they get, then you get weak government. How many Labour voters are benefit recipients? A large proportion. Turkeys don't vote for an early Christmas.

Any fool knows the welfare state (and government/public sector for that matter) should be as small as humanely possible. But whilst Britain keeps electing Milliband and his cronies, so they can hand yet more of your money to people who don't deserve it, then nothing will change.

Wonder why your energy bills have just gone up 10%? Blame Milliband's price freeze policy, there'll be another 10% rise next year as well as the energy companies hedge their bets on Labour winning the election, so get used to it. Oh and let's just bully all employers into paying a "living wage" because some pressure group has dreamt it up. It sounds good, we've no idea how employers will be able to afford it but hey, they're employers so they must be loaded right?

In answer to the original question though, no to UKIP, they are frankly a bit scary.
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This ^^^^^

Any party that attempts to reform Labour's "hand out state" will lose millions of votes.

Where's that thread about boiling piss....? I feel the need to add something to it :x


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lux good said:
I'd vote for you OG :wink:
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Sounds good to me :)

Adamski said:
Any party that attempts to reform Labour's "hand out state" will lose millions of votes.
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Hit the nail on the head there. We all want a really good safety net that looks after those who really need it to give them a better quality of life. I don't mind my tax going to assist good parenting either for those on low incomes. It is a drug or an accepted way of life for too many people and it is just not right.
 
Why can we not have immigration law similar to Australia?

The EU needs dumping, borders closing and any immigrant that comes to this country should need to have funds in place that will last 12 months without any benefits..

But looking long term, this country has had it, it's ruined. The succession of weak self serving, vote seeking ,spineless oxygen thieves that have been put up to front the various parties have seen to that.
 
Carol M said:
billz said:
Do we need to stop immigration NO
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You think the amount of immigrants entering this country is acceptable?
From January our doors will be opened further to more immigrants, Romanian & Bulgarian. :headbang:
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carol Romania has been part of the EU for a long time. they have been able to come over her in droves for ages. there is nothing new there.

my ex was Romanian she was a hard working AE dr who paid into the system so yes immigration is fine so long as it governed properly
 
They were in the EU since 2007, but had controls on them that there was no free movement of people like we have with France, Germany etc.

After Jan 1, that will have gone.

Just depressing reading that from a single day's arrest in Amsterdam, from the 47 criminals taken, 42 were Romanian.
 
pvr said:
They were in the EU since 2007, but had controls on them that there was no free movement of people like we have with France, Germany etc.

After Jan 1, that will have gone.

Just depressing reading that from a single day's arrest in Amsterdam, from the 47 criminals taken, 42 were Romanian.
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so how did loads of romanian get over here to work then? my knowledge isn't 100% i just know stuff from living with the Ex. basically she came over a qualified DR but couldn't get an GMC number untill she took the exams, got told to wait 6 months till they were in so did and then after some hoohaa she got one and has been in A&E since.

one thing is for certain her level of knowledge was far superior to some of the numpty medics doing MD's here.

we should let people like her in. she works hard, pays her taxes and has gone through all the stuff needed.
 
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Population forecast chart

According to The Office Of National Statistics, 68% of the 73.2 million population in 2035 will be due to immigrants.
That's 68%. :o
 
Don't think anyone has issues with honest people working moving about through countries. That is controlled access via certification and other tested methods, but we are talking here about the great unwashed having the same uncontrolled access.

Bit like the US - plenty of people get to work there without issues, but they would not dream of just opening the borders and let everyone in uncontrolled.
 
Carol M said:
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68% of the 73.2 million population in 2035 will be due to immigrants.
That's 68%. :o
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But what's the problem with this?

My grandparents are part of this 68%...should they be sent home to France?

My girlfriends Mum is South African should she be sent home?

I'm moving to Singapore next summer, should I be locked to living in the UK?

Yes "benefit tourists" are an issue, but that isn't the fault of immigration, it's the fault of the government. Immigration adds to society.
 
StevenH72 said:
But what's the problem with this?

My grandparents are part of this 68%...should they be sent home to France?

My girlfriends Mum is South African should she be sent home?

I'm moving to Singapore next summer, should I be locked to living in the UK?

Yes "benefit tourists" are an issue, but that isn't the fault of immigration, it's the fault of the government. Immigration adds to society.
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+1...

I would like to see how many people that have issues with immigration can trace their roots back to prove they are not here living in the UK due to some form of immigration...so I guess it must have been good for these people at some point... :wink:
 
The problem with this is that we can't manage in this country as it is. It's not immigration that's the problem it's the issue of the huge numbers of immigrants that are coming into the country.

What do you think is going to happen, where are these people going to live?
The NHS alone, we are told constantly, struggles to cope and with this added population explosion due to people coming to live here, god knows what impact that will have.

My husband's family is Italian and they have been here for over 40 years. They have never claimed benefits, they bought skills to the Uk and have worked all their lives.
Nobody is suggesting people like that should be sent home, you're making a point that isn't relevant to the current problem.
It's the amount of people streaming over our borders. A small island like ours cannot withstand an open doors policy, surely you can see that?
 
Carol M said:
A small island like ours cannot withstand an open doors policy, surely you can see that?
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Agreed, but expressing your shock at the % of 'immigrants' is irrelevant. Net migration is decreasing and has been for some time. I agree that there needs to be a clamp down on "benefit tourists" and that net immigration needs to continue to improve to a point where there is an equilibrium. I strongly disagree with those asking for the UK to close it doors to immigration.

Furthermore, the issues of: where will people live? how will the NHS cope? How will we support the welfare bill? These are problems we will face with our ever ageing population. How do we solve that? Cut all medical research and limit NHS availability to ensure that a few more people die prematurely.

Unfortunately, there is no simple answer to any of these problems. Our advancements in medicine, health, quality of life etc coupled with our resistance to increase tax contributions/ retirement age is the real danger in my eyes. We want the government to help support the retired and needy, yet we don't want that help to come from our own pockets. It's simply not sustainable.

There are a lot of problems with government and politicians, but there are just as many problems with the general public's intolerance to change. We're all metaphorical Nimby's in some way or another. Unless our attitudes experience a paradigm shift, immigration will be the least of our problems.
 
Carol M said:
The problem with this is that we can't manage in this country as it is. It's not immigration that's the problem it's the issue of the huge numbers of immigrants that are coming into the country.

What do you think is going to happen, where are these people going to live?
The NHS alone, we are told constantly, struggles to cope and with this added population explosion due to people coming to live here, god knows what impact that will have.

Nobody is suggesting people like that should be sent home, you're making a point that isn't relevant to the current problem.
It's the amount of people streaming over our borders. A small island like ours cannot withstand an open doors policy, surely you can see that?
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My post of the day :thumbsup:
 
It's all a balancing act. We all think we could do a better job at it but I think Carol is right in that one thing we must remember is that we are a small Island with limited resources that can only sustain a certain number of people.

Get the population down and free up the roads! Yay!! :D

What we need is online government where we all just vote on issues every day, the civil service carries it out and takes the tax off you for the cost of what you personally vote for :) :poke:
 
Most people cant afford the services they consume. Only the well off are net contributors. People generally earning over £70k. If we let them dodge the tax bullet the rest of us will have a shorter, ill educated and grim life.
 
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