UKIP. Would You?

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Carol M

Lifer
I'm seriously thinking about it.......

From The Mail (yes I know its the Mail)
"How do I claim benefits when I get to Britain? Romanians demand help from job agencies in the UK
Romanians and Bulgarians will be entitled to certain UK benefits from January
Job agencies are said to be bombarded with people asking how to claim
British companies are advertising on Romanian websites saying 'find out if you are entitled'
More than 6,000 unemployed EU migrants currently live in Britain

Recruitment agencies are being inundated with requests from Romanians about how they can receive benefits.
Recruitment firms are being inundated with requests from Romanians about how they can claim benefits in Britain.
From January, residents of Romania and Bulgaria – two of Europe’s poorest countries – will be entitled to travel to the UK.
They will be able to claim the same benefits and NHS care as other EU citizens.
As a result, job agencies say they are being bombarded with requests from many who want to know how they can make claims.
One consultancy, based in Birmingham, said it had turned away dozens who wanted to know which of the UK’s generous state hand-outs they were eligible for.
Adrian Pop, the firm’s managing director, said: ‘People are calling me asking “how do I claim benefits?”.’
Mr Pop, who is Romanian-born, warned many would be attracted to Britain by the benefits alone.
He said some agencies were offering to help Romanians claim benefits in return for a slice of the money.
‘Some Roma families will come to the UK with seven or eight children and claim £3,000 a month,’ he said. ‘But this is the system that Britain has created.’
He added many would claim to be self employed so they can get a National Insurance number, before simply claiming benefits.
‘There are forums where people talk about it. There are also adverts for companies which help them claim benefits,’ he said. ‘It is giving all Romanians a bad name in

Other companies have set up lucrative hotlines offering migrants information on how they can claim benefits. The Mail found several such ‘immigration specialists’ openly advertising their services.
One Middlesex firm is currently advertising on a host of Romanian websites under the banner ‘find out if you are entitled to claim benefits in the UK – call now’.

Romanian migrants such as those who congregate in Marble Arch, London, will soon have access to the same benefits and NHS facilities as other EU members
Eurolutions boasts it has a 100 per cent success rate for helping clients obtain child benefit.
And a London-based company is claiming to offer ‘assistance for getting benefits in the UK (maternity allowance, child benefit, child tax credit, working tax credit, housing benefit & council, Sure Start maternity grant etc)’.
MPs said that until Britain left the EU there was no way of stopping large numbers from Romania and Bulgaria coming to the UK in January.
Douglas Carswell, Tory MP for Clacton, said: ‘It’s happening – everything the experts said wouldn’t happen is happening, and everything the Mail and others said would happen is coming to pass.
'Until we leave the EU, there is nothing we can do about it.’

Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has pushed for a change in EU law that would delay migrants' access to benefits
At a UK jobs fair in Bucharest on Saturday, hosted by Mr Pop and recruitment firm US Travel, dozens had travelled for up to four hours to hear about vacancies for housekeepers, waiters and bartenders.
But others were more interested in the benefits on offer in Britain.
Dorin Zamfirescu told the Mail: ‘The benefits are much more in England than here.
‘People in England get benefits, so what is the difference if I do?
‘Just because I wasn’t born in England, what does that mean? That’s prejudiced.’
A study by the European Commission last month revealed the number of EU migrants without a job living in Britain had risen to more than 600,000, the equivalent of a city the size of Glasgow.
There were also calls by the Mayor of London Boris Johnson for the Government to push for a change in EU laws to delay migrants’ access to benefits.
Paul Nuttall MEP, deputy leader of UKIP, said: ‘The Government’s Euro chickens are coming home to roost.
‘UKIP have warned that this would be the result until we were hoarse, but the legacy parties have refused to listen.
'Now the taxpayer will suffer and our welfare system will be looted. What is tragic is that this is avoidable.’"
 
The sad thing is UKIP is realistically a protest vote. Unless the two main parties decide together to tackle this issue it's never going to get dealt with, and that's never going to happen because politics is simply a game where each party tries to appease enough people to get re-elected. Sad.
 
You're right of course J. It's just not going to happen, not in the immediate future I don't think.
It worries me. I think this country is going to be ruined at this rate.
 
The way to deal with this is to change the UK benefit laws to state that you can't claim unless you've been resident in the uk for 10yrs and make that applicable to everyone. The loophole that's being exploited is that any eu citizen is entitled to the benefits of the country they reside in. If our existing laws were tightened up it would stop this in its tracks yet genuine citizens of the uk of whatever colour or background would have a safety net.

If you were to go to France, you could claim their benefits under their laws.

Alternatively state that you can claim the benefits of your home nation. Romanian, no benefits in Romania, no benefits here either.
 
Thing is we all know how to tackle the issue, it's the massive elephant in the room, the thing is the key parties in UK politics have no interest in doing so.
 
how many countries actually have a non contributory benefits system?

I think lots of Europe and the US has a contributory system

I think we need a contributory system, that way those who choose not to work from any nationality or background can get nothing

if we spent less on scroungers - we could spend more on the needy.

and whilst we are at it, lets let the NHS bid for private work and not provide anything other than emergency work for non non nationals
 
sp3ctre said:
Thing is we all know how to tackle the issue, it's the massive elephant in the room, the thing is the key parties in UK politics have no interest in doing so.
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+1 :roll:
 
to answer your question though

no - i wouldnt

id like one of the big parties to reflect the will of the people in all respects and id love to see a vote on this particular issue.

as for UKIP giving power to a party before it has the skill to handle the millions of other issues that a government has to address sounds risky
 
leaving the EU would be stupid. on many fronts ... not just cos i am funded by EU money so i would have to sell the Z....

seriously tho No to leaving the EU and NO a big NO to UKIP. they are not equipped to run a govt. Any crackpot can set up a political party but it takes a bit of skill to have policy for everything in place. UKIP's fiscal policy is at best laughable. they just trade on the headlines and mail readers xenophobia.

as said above, its local rules that allow the loop holes. maybe we should look to close them first.


also consider the "benefit system" as a whole before referring to benefit scroungers as the bain of the system . the welfare state is not just housing/job seekers. it encompasses other stuff like pensions/child benefit/income support/the old people heating thing .... the 165bn figure thats banded about is the whole lot. again hyped by the media.

before we all start banging on about benefit scroungers consider that if you receive any kind of child support then you too are part of the Welfare state.
 
"before we all start banging on about benefit scroungers consider that if you receive any kind of child support then you too are part of the Welfare state."

But it's OUR welfare state, (no I don't have child benefit) Whilst I do oppose paying out hundreds to people who have loads of children and have no intention of working but for British people who have a 'normal' sized family to claim a british benefit is surely better than foreigners coming into this country and being supported by the likes of you and me that are paying for them.

I'm not saying I think Child Benefit is ok as a whole but it does help deserving people in this country. I don't see why, because we are in the EU, people from other countries can just set up home here and expect to be supported by this country.
It will, without a shadow of a doubt, drag it down. It cannot possibly encourage prosperity.

I agree about UKIP having no pedigree to be allowed into power in this country but their immigration policies, are they something to be took notice of by the two (or a jokingly 3) powers in this country? I certainly think so.
 
It's very easy for UKIP to stand on the peripheries and comment on political hot potatoes. I dread to think what would happen if they ran govt.

I agree that something has to be done to prevent abuse of the welfare system, but UKIP is not the answer imo. I don't necesarily agree with domsz4 that leaving the EU would be stupid. I'd like to see more evidence before making my mind up, but I've seen some very strong arguments for leaving.
 
it's nothing to do with the EU ...........

bold statement but look at this .......

Norway has the same problem with these people as the UK
Denmark has no problems at all ......

Norway, like the UK has a weak government, Denmark does not ...... and Denmark is in the EU as well.

successive governments have used benefits to buy votes - problem is once it starts its a continuous cycle, the only loser
will be the government with the balls to put it right - uk politicians don't have the balls.

There is no need to leave the EU at all - we have all the power we need to modify our laws to suit.
 
my issue isnt who claims it, its the term benefit scrounger and the way the media blames it on asylum seakers and immigrants and unemployed and i was simply stating that as part of a system, that system being the welfare state, the benefits part of it are a smaller %.

as a whole i don't particularly mind child benefit. im not convinced by the means testing it is now subject to it was just an example of how many people misunderstand the welfare state and how the media happily target one group.

again as stated above if we put our own house in order then the influx of eastern Europeans wouldn't come as there wouldn't be these loop holes.

as for leaving the EU i doubt many of the populous can make an informed decision due to successive years of miss/non information from GVT. I can only comment on my experience that in science european funding is important and we would have access to it if we left. ironically the bulgarians would have.
 
domsz4 said:
as for leaving the EU i doubt many of the populous can make an informed decision due to successive years of miss/non information from GVT. I can only comment on my experience that in science european funding is important and we would have access to it if we left. ironically the bulgarians would have.
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If our own house truly was in order you could get your funding from within :)
 
The percentage of immigrants claiming 'dole' is a lot lower than that of those born in U.K. I feel more angry with the non working born a U.K parents with loads of kids taking the benefit system for all its worth.
UKIP is a step away from jack boots and swastikas.
 
getting any useful statistics about the costs and benefits of an independent England and how it would survive/thrive outside the EU is impossible. I have tried, several times, quite hard. It is too complicated, even trying to enumerate the benefits of being inside are impossible. I don't think anyone can make anything better than an ill-informed guess.

As for benefits. The children born into unfortunate circumstances demand our assistance. Until we are prepared to accept child poverty and homeless families we will not be able to control the budget.

I suspect the problem of welfare tourism is minor in comparison to the big budget costs, like housing benefit and pensions..
 
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