UK: Anyone keep personal protection in their car?
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pvr said:ah - so not that good a deterrent as I thought it was.
However, it would not be nice if you were dropped at the station, you walk away to the train and your wife is stuck at the front of the station with a car that just stalled
No, that would be funny!
Also wouldn't happen with me as my missus isn't insured to drive the Z4! They still can't grab the keys (unless they know what they are pinching!).
Also, you could flick the handbrake switch on. If they don't know the car they will be looking for a brake lever! :wink:
If I left my iPhone in the cradle under the arm rest, I could also get that tracked to find the car (Mobile Me subscription needed for that!) :wink:
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PawnSacrifice said:
I always think if someone's coming for the car, slamming down the accelerator in neutral and sitting on the rev limiter would be pretty scary if you were stood next to it, thinking it was about to spin off in a particular direction would definitely make you more hesitant in whether you leant in, stood behind it, etc, also serves as a good way of catching attention.
I'm pretty sure if I had my DSC off I could do a lot of damage to anyone stood next to the car without needing a "weapon". Whether it worked or not is another matter, but I'm afraid you wouldn't catch me handing over the keys for anything. Probably naive. :?
I'm pretty sure if I had my DSC off I could do a lot of damage to anyone stood next to the car without needing a "weapon". Whether it worked or not is another matter, but I'm afraid you wouldn't catch me handing over the keys for anything. Probably naive. :?
Carjacking / key burglaries seem to be much, much more prolific up North. I know a guy who had his Cayman jacked twice on the way into Manchester. However I wouldn't carry a weapon, it's just asking for trouble. Depends on the situation - if a getaway is possible then I would, otherwise hand it over....I also have return to invoice cover though, for a tenner a month it's mad not to. if it gets stolen tomorrow, I get back what I paid in 2007...
...down to opinion though. Usually when an 'innocent' person ends up in prison for what he considers 'reasonable' force, most (if honest) would be classed as unreasonable, even if they agree with the reasoning as to why he/she did it...shooting a burgular in the back as he is running away, for example...
AlanJ said:So the test is always one of reasonableness. UK case law is full of what is reasonable and indeed what is unreasonable in using force to prevent a crime. Use of what is considered unreasonable often 'hits' the headlines when an apparently innocent person ends up in prison for using what the law pereceives as excessive force either to prevent a crime or protect their person, family and property.
We indeed live in strange times in the UK......
...down to opinion though. Usually when an 'innocent' person ends up in prison for what he considers 'reasonable' force, most (if honest) would be classed as unreasonable, even if they agree with the reasoning as to why he/she did it...shooting a burgular in the back as he is running away, for example...
scary stuff but lets remind ourselves where we live. in this country there is no doubt that if you did use some sort of force you would be the one in trouble or perhaps facing prison, the a$$holes trying to jack you would get a slap on the wrist and a caution and then sent on their merry way. :thumbsdown:
Re the whole willingness to use a knife thing, this is important. I'm doing a lot of knife defence at the moment at fight club, and a lot of it is pretty distasteful! I know what to do, but I'd rather not to be honest. I'd be on my toes and rather difficult to catch!
Carrying (and using) a weapon also carries its own disadvantage. Anything you use can very easily be taken away from you and used against you.
I think the best thing is keeping tarmac in sight when you're stopped, pay attention and if threatened > leg it.
Carrying (and using) a weapon also carries its own disadvantage. Anything you use can very easily be taken away from you and used against you.
I think the best thing is keeping tarmac in sight when you're stopped, pay attention and if threatened > leg it.
Raify said:
That is true. And if you try and restrain anyone coming at you with a knife, if your trained or not, you will get cut somewhere!! :wink:
Taught a lot of this stuff over the years to various groups! End of the day. Knife drawn, run off if you can or pick up something bigger!!
Are there any stats for where car jacking is most common? I almost never hear of it happening around the south east. In London everyone has the notion that anyone could be an axe murderer and leaves each other well alone. When i lived in Manchester and Birmingham it just wasn't like that at all, If you were in any way not a part of the scenery you were a target.
I own one of these in .40S&W
and I'm buying one of these this summer (for carrying) .380auto
Laws in New Jersey are ridiculous. However I can walk around with a cannon on my hip in Florida... cant wait to move. Here's how I see it, in order for him to attempt to get my car from me, he'll have to threaten me. I assume all threats to be life threatening and therefore I can defend my life. I train as often as I can in different situations, moving / stationary / speed loading / distance accuracy (15-25 yds pistol) / and speed draw (tactical, not western or gangster junk).
I do agree with whoever said that excessive force is possible. IE shooting them as they're running away, however. If he's in my car trying to take it... I'll be reloading an empty gun. I'm not proud of it, nor will it be something to brag about, but especially if I'm with someone, I have a responsibility to keep them safe.
There's a difference between Killing and Murder. A guilty man murders, an innocent man kills. If you don't make that decision either you'll be murdered or he'll go on to hurt someone who couldn't defend themselves. Your spouse, mother, sister, neighbor, or friend.
I'll probably catch some flak however, figured I'd represent the other half that wont walk away from what they worked hard for knowing insurance will reimburse them.
and I'm buying one of these this summer (for carrying) .380auto
Laws in New Jersey are ridiculous. However I can walk around with a cannon on my hip in Florida... cant wait to move. Here's how I see it, in order for him to attempt to get my car from me, he'll have to threaten me. I assume all threats to be life threatening and therefore I can defend my life. I train as often as I can in different situations, moving / stationary / speed loading / distance accuracy (15-25 yds pistol) / and speed draw (tactical, not western or gangster junk).
I do agree with whoever said that excessive force is possible. IE shooting them as they're running away, however. If he's in my car trying to take it... I'll be reloading an empty gun. I'm not proud of it, nor will it be something to brag about, but especially if I'm with someone, I have a responsibility to keep them safe.
There's a difference between Killing and Murder. A guilty man murders, an innocent man kills. If you don't make that decision either you'll be murdered or he'll go on to hurt someone who couldn't defend themselves. Your spouse, mother, sister, neighbor, or friend.
I'll probably catch some flak however, figured I'd represent the other half that wont walk away from what they worked hard for knowing insurance will reimburse them.