Tyre wear and replacement tyres

[Argyll Andy]

I’m always concerned about using non bmw approved tyres. Shouldn’t affect warranty right?

It depends on how you interpret "affect warranty". Your warranty won't be void by using non-star marked tyre. However, if you report any drivetrain issue or running noise issue etc., dealer may make you swap back to star-marked tyre first before they carry out further diagnosis and repair under warranty unless the issue is very obvious.

This is my experience. On my previous F10, it developed a bad bearing noise when the car was still under 3 year manufacturer warranty. Dealer did the normal diagnosis and checked all four wheel bearings and no issue at all. They then told me because the car was fitted with CrossClimate tyres which are not star-marked, BMW won't authorise further diagnosis under warranty if the tyre are not within manufacturer spec (star-marked). Thus, I need to fit star marked tyre first (by dealer or by myself, the dealer doesn't care) for them to be able to claim diagnosis labour from warranty. I asked them if I fit the star marked tyre and send the car back, will the warranty cover the cost of repair if they then find the issue. Dealer told me that the warranty is all valid and not voided so if the failed components are covered, then I don't need to pay anything. I asked two dealers back then and both dealers told me the same story.

Thanks for the info

I’m keeping all existing tyres in cast of emergencies as every one is still legal. If the situation you are quoting was unfortunate enough to arise I’d just get a local tyre place to swap all the tyres back over before putting the car to BMW. Worst they could do is advise me all tyres were very close to the legal limit but they’d all still be star marked.

 

[Argyll Andy]

Just looked. They started at 7.5mm. So I’ve lost 2mm in 6000 miles. Should get another 10k out of mine or more!

You need to drive that thing harder

ANOTHER 10k, I’m not even getting that never mind another

 

[Argyll Andy]

The Alpina comes with oddball sizes for an e85. The fronts are 235/35/19 and the rears are 265/30/19.

That’s the sizes I was running on the 35iS. I was asking for a rough comparison price wise as you paid roughly the same per rear as I did for the Conti’s. When I was looking the PS4S’s were a bit dearer and a lot of places weren’t quoting PS5’s in my size

 

[q96169we]

I’m always concerned about using non bmw approved tyres. Shouldn’t affect warranty right?

It depends on how you interpret "affect warranty". Your warranty won't be void by using non-star marked tyre. However, if you report any drivetrain issue or running noise issue etc., dealer may make you swap back to star-marked tyre first before they carry out further diagnosis and repair under warranty unless the issue is very obvious.

This is my experience. On my previous F10, it developed a bad bearing noise when the car was still under 3 year manufacturer warranty. Dealer did the normal diagnosis and checked all four wheel bearings and no issue at all. They then told me because the car was fitted with CrossClimate tyres which are not star-marked, BMW won't authorise further diagnosis under warranty if the tyre are not within manufacturer spec (star-marked). Thus, I need to fit star marked tyre first (by dealer or by myself, the dealer doesn't care) for them to be able to claim diagnosis labour from warranty. I asked them if I fit the star marked tyre and send the car back, will the warranty cover the cost of repair if they then find the issue. Dealer told me that the warranty is all valid and not voided so if the failed components are covered, then I don't need to pay anything. I asked two dealers back then and both dealers told me the same story.

Thanks for the info

I’m keeping all existing tyres in cast of emergencies as every one is still legal. If the situation you are quoting was unfortunate enough to arise I’d just get a local tyre place to swap all the tyres back over before putting the car to BMW. Worst they could do is advise me all tyres were very close to the legal limit but they’d all still be star marked.

Yep, that's what I started doing since then.

 

[ori]

[ref]q96169we[/ref], you are once again a wonderful source of information.

Here is another one though. Are the bmw star marked tyres any different for non star marked ones?

 

[ori]

[ref]Argyll Andy[/ref], so looking at the review, the main let down of the conti is noise and aquaplaning. The noise might bother me.

 

[B21]

[ref]Argyll Andy[/ref], so looking at the review, the main let down of the conti is noise and aquaplaning. The noise might bother me.

 

[Argyll Andy]

[ref]Argyll Andy[/ref], so looking at the review, the main let down of the conti is noise and aquaplaning. The noise might bother me.

Exact same noise as currents and wet performance better than currents, aquaplaning, iirc on the reviews it said only an issue at track speeds.

In reality roof always down (unless absolutely pishing it down) and right foot normally heading towards the floor, as current wear rate has exposed :lol:, so the noise thing won’t really bother me I don’t think. If roof up just turn the choooons up louder 8)

 

[sars]

[ref]q96169we[/ref], you are once again a wonderful source of information.

Here is another one though. Are the bmw star marked tyres any different for non star marked ones?

There can be a difference, usually a modified rubber compound to give a BMW preferred handling characteristics. There is a tyre review explaining the issue.

 

[mr wilks]

[ref]q96169we[/ref], you are once again a wonderful source of information.

Here is another one though. Are the bmw star marked tyres any different for non star marked ones?

Star marked for Bmw tyres is more to do with manufacturers guaranteeing rolling circumference so as not to affect drive train / transfer boxes .
Id like to see any review that claims the compound is different .

 

[sars]

[ref]Argyll Andy[/ref], so looking at the review, the main let down of the conti is noise and aquaplaning. The noise might bother me.

Noise, comfort and aquaplaning performance would be high on my wish list too. It’s not like I’m driving at 95% of the cars ability with most of the miles being on the motorway.

 

[mr wilks]

As for the much lauded PS4S tyres clearly way too many people buy their tyres based on forum talk & tyre reviews that very rarely have any actual relevance to real world useage .
There are so many aternative tyres that would suit 99% of car drivers 99% of the time so much better .
The ps4s are incredibly noisy in the larger sizes , ridiculously expensive & by all current reports on this forum have woeful wear rates ( had 3 sets on 3 different cars but never had a set long enough enough to know )
Best all round tyre brand ive found ? by a good margin it would be Nokian Dunlop SportMaxx Rt2 or Vredestein rate very highly with me too , opinion based on dry grip , wet grip , cabin noise , wear rate & price .
For reference currently have PS4S on the M4 , Nokian WR4 on 5 series F11 ( 4th set of Nokians on 4 diffferent vehicles )

 

[B21]

[ref]Argyll Andy[/ref], so looking at the review, the main let down of the conti is noise and aquaplaning. The noise might bother me.

Noise, comfort and aquaplaning performance would be high on my wish list too. It’s not like I’m driving at 95% of the cars ability with most of the miles being on the motorway.

SARS..I did caveat twice my statement that if handling and braking both wet and dry were your criteria then….

I find the dichotomy of having a M40i and focussing on motorway cruising prioritisation amusing..

As usual each to their own…I was just expressing my personal view ..

 

[Argyll Andy]

[ref]Argyll Andy[/ref], so looking at the review, the main let down of the conti is noise and aquaplaning. The noise might bother me.

Noise, comfort and aquaplaning performance would be high on my wish list too. It’s not like I’m driving at 95% of the cars ability with most of the miles being on the motorway.

That’s the point I was making in my response to Ori, SARS. That noise wise on paper they’re the same. I too have found both sets of Michelin’s noisy. Also I’m fortunate enough that mine is used solely for fun, if it sees a motorway/dual carriageway it’s both very rare and also only a means of getting somewhere like a forum run etc. The roof always being down makes it a bloody noisy place anyway :lol:

Peter’s points about handling and braking are important to me, because of how the car is used. If it’s pishing down either the 3 series or Kathleen’s Golf

 

[sars]

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[ref]q96169we[/ref], you are once again a wonderful source of information.

Here is another one though. Are the bmw star marked tyres any different for non star marked ones?

Star marked for Bmw tyres is more to do with manufacturers guaranteeing rolling circumference so as not to affect drive train / transfer boxes .
Id like to see any review that claims the compound is different .

Well that could be one reason, however any vehicle must be able to cope with up to a 12.0 mm difference between wheel diameters because of tyre wear, this is a reasonable and foreseeable real world failure scenario and engineers must, by statute, design and engineer accordingly.

Anyway here’s one review.
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[Argyll Andy]

As for the much lauded PS4S tyres clearly way too many people buy their tyres based on forum talk & tyre reviews that very rarely have any actual relevance to real world useage .
There are so many aternative tyres that would suit 99% of car drivers 99% of the time so much better .
The ps4s are incredibly noisy in the larger sizes , ridiculously expensive & by all current reports on this forum have woeful wear rates ( had 3 sets on 3 different cars but never had a set long enough enough to know )
Best all round tyre brand ive found ? by a good margin it would be Nokian Dunlop SportMaxx Rt2 or Vredestein rate very highly with me too , opinion based on dry grip , wet grip , cabin noise , wear rate & price .
For reference currently have PS4S on the M4 , Nokian WR4 on 5 series F11 ( 4th set of Nokians on 4 diffferent vehicles )

Andy, the Dunlop’s were second choice but was struggling to get the right sizes, delivery is restricted to my address and local fitting is a complete hit or miss, also a 170 round trip to someone who has both sizes and would fit. There was less than £10 a tyre between them and the Conti’s and I can get home fitting on them. The reviews also pushed me towards them too. Quite happy to give them a try

 

[mr wilks]

As for the much lauded PS4S tyres clearly way too many people buy their tyres based on forum talk & tyre reviews that very rarely have any actual relevance to real world useage .
There are so many aternative tyres that would suit 99% of car drivers 99% of the time so much better .
The ps4s are incredibly noisy in the larger sizes , ridiculously expensive & by all current reports on this forum have woeful wear rates ( had 3 sets on 3 different cars but never had a set long enough enough to know )
Best all round tyre brand ive found ? by a good margin it would be Nokian Dunlop SportMaxx Rt2 or Vredestein rate very highly with me too , opinion based on dry grip , wet grip , cabin noise , wear rate & price .
For reference currently have PS4S on the M4 , Nokian WR4 on 5 series F11 ( 4th set of Nokians on 4 diffferent vehicles )

Andy, the Dunlop’s were second choice but was struggling to get the right sizes, delivery is restricted to my address and local fitting is a complete hit or miss, also a 170 round trip to someone who has both sizes and would fit. There was less than £10 a tyre between them and the Conti’s and I can get home fitting on them. The reviews also pushed me towards them too. Quite happy to give them a try

The Conti6 was a great tyre so i would expect the 7 to be even better , you will only know by direct comparison to what you have already had .
The 6 had very similar traits to the Pirelli PZero PZ4 , both very capable , quiet & comfortable , far better all round tyres for majority of users than PS4S .

 

[sars]

[ref]b21[/ref], we buy the same cars for different reasons and thus choose our tyres accordingly, there’s no right or wrong, just our own preferences, let’s not ridicule someone for having different ones.

 

[B21]

[ref]b21[/ref], we buy the same cars for different reasons and thus choose our tyres accordingly, there’s no right or wrong, just our own preferences, let’s not ridicule someone for having different ones.

 

[B21]

As for the much lauded PS4S tyres clearly way too many people buy their tyres based on forum talk & tyre reviews that very rarely have any actual relevance to real world useage .
There are so many aternative tyres that would suit 99% of car drivers 99% of the time so much better .
The ps4s are incredibly noisy in the larger sizes , ridiculously expensive & by all current reports on this forum have woeful wear rates ( had 3 sets on 3 different cars but never had a set long enough enough to know )
Best all round tyre brand ive found ? by a good margin it would be Nokian Dunlop SportMaxx Rt2 or Vredestein rate very highly with me too , opinion based on dry grip , wet grip , cabin noise , wear rate & price .
For reference currently have PS4S on the M4 , Nokian WR4 on 5 series F11 ( 4th set of Nokians on 4 diffferent vehicles )

I ran the Dunlops on our Mini and Volvo and was impressed with the ride / noise / feel….things move on and being a Conti bigot treated them to the new Premium contact 6…very pleased with the incremental perceived improvement in steering feel / ‘handling’

Given the sheer cost of 4 new boots I guess we (I) stick in our comfort zones…

The E85s seem to be able to get the best out of many brands….

On the E89s I found Contis just seem to suit the chassis…