Tyre Choice now the FK452 is no more
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I have the Vortis all round too and have done about 18k on them and the rears have worn very evenly and the fronts have loads of tread left. They are great in the wet and dry but I don't think they are the quietest and probably also not the most refind ride wise. But I do love the way they drive and they have great feel!T2FFN said:Baza said:
I have these all-round. They're grippy, comfortable and good in the wet. Very nice sidewall design too
mmm-five said:Where did you find the info about the wear rate - as the info I've got shows the PSS and F1A2 are both 300 rated for wear - any my experience is that the PSS lasts about twice as long as the OE Conti's doing the same sort of driving (which in my case is about 20k for the rears, and 40k for the fronts).
I've read plenty of the magazine reviews of these tyres, and one week the Goodyear F1A2 wins, another week it's the Conti SC5, another week it's the Michelin PS3, and yet another it's the Michelin SuperSport.
Obviously the tyre can't be going from a great wet performer to a crap one over the course of a couple of weeks, so it's either got as much to do with the tyre size and the vehicle they're putting it on as with the way the tester drives.
One think I think we can all agree on is that if you use a F1A2, SC5 or PSS you'll be more than happy
I'll concede that there will no doubt be a significant difference in driving dynamics between different cars, dependant on driven wheels and engine layout (I can imagine PSS in a 911 on a cold day with standing water is a bit of an arse-twitching experience for instance!).
As regards wear rate, I spoke to a number of different people at various track-days throughout last year, all of whom commented that the wear rate was undoubtely higher than PS3s/CS5s/Assy2s, and recommended the latter 3 as a more road-oriented choice.
I appreciate this is the opinon of 4-5 people, but it seems to be echoed in the reviews linked to above.
As you say, provided you use F1A2, PSS, SC5, or PS3s, all will be well!
PS. I've not commented on the Vreds purely because I have no direct experience with them; before I get flamed! They appear to be a decent economical alternative to the above, but it's hard to draw a decent conclusion having never had them on a car!
Guys - many thanks for all the input.
After consideration I've gone with the Goodyear Eagle F1 ASY 2
Came in at £458 delivered for the staggered set up, so a good price.
Time will tell how good they are.
After consideration I've gone with the Goodyear Eagle F1 ASY 2
Came in at £458 delivered for the staggered set up, so a good price.
Time will tell how good they are.
Ed Doe said:
Oponeo - £96 Fronts £133 Rears Free Delivery
ed i was surprised by people thinking about the t1-r as i thought they would be too soft and wear out quick on your pug what pressure did you use?
they really suit the westfield but i wonder if thats a result of the lightness in the car, i run mine at 18psi on a 205/50/15. dry grip is pretty damn good you do get a bit of side wall movement but nothing to worry about i can certainly corner much faster in that car than the z (again the lightness helps), wet grip is good too. i did a wet track day at oulton on them and found it really good. i most certainly wouldnt call the ditch finders. again i think its down to what suits the car as some of the tires people use here are s**t on the westy.
they really suit the westfield but i wonder if thats a result of the lightness in the car, i run mine at 18psi on a 205/50/15. dry grip is pretty damn good you do get a bit of side wall movement but nothing to worry about i can certainly corner much faster in that car than the z (again the lightness helps), wet grip is good too. i did a wet track day at oulton on them and found it really good. i most certainly wouldnt call the ditch finders. again i think its down to what suits the car as some of the tires people use here are s**t on the westy.
When I went from 452 > Asym 1 I found they were better. Subtle but better. Mainly the wear was better meaning longer life-time. The FK452 wear was no worse generally, but the extreme inner wear of both rear tyres and the shoulders of the fronts meant they were all technically illegal within 12k miles and 1yr!
Then when I went from Asym 1 > Asym 2 I'd say they were as much better again. Especially fuel economy.
I've found 32psi/33psi f/r the best for wear too. If you run the rears too high the centres go too fast. At 33psi they seem to wear flat as a pancake at the rear. The fronts easily last for 25k it seems.
At the price they are currently you really cannot fault them one bit!
Dave
Then when I went from Asym 1 > Asym 2 I'd say they were as much better again. Especially fuel economy.
I've found 32psi/33psi f/r the best for wear too. If you run the rears too high the centres go too fast. At 33psi they seem to wear flat as a pancake at the rear. The fronts easily last for 25k it seems.
At the price they are currently you really cannot fault them one bit!
Dave
Dave - very useful to see, especially the wear positions as that's just what's gone on my FK452's this time.
I'll go with those pressures vs the 30 fr 32 r I've used to date.
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I'll go with those pressures vs the 30 fr 32 r I've used to date.
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cj10jeeper said:
That is interesting you ran those low pressures on FK452. I found myself doing that to try fix the wear issues but as I dropped low on the rears they started to apparently lose grip and it wasn't so nice to drive as you got near the limits of adhesion.
The Eagle's seem to be able to go to a lower pressure without so much of a hit in that regard, in-fact I can't ever tell if they are running lower pressures. I've currently got a slow rear leak, probably from the valve, and it'll drop to 25psi but I can't tell it has until the tyre warning thing goes off.
I guess it all depends what mileages you do, more motorway or mixed or all urban, or all fast rural stuff etc etc... but those pressures seem ok for me doing a mix more biased towards gentle ish rural driving than motorways and straight A-roads.
I can't wait to hear what you think of them. I'm getting my new rears delivered tomorrow and fitted Thursday I think...
Dave
Quick update guys. Tyres were shipped out mid week and fitted today.
First reaction after just a few miles and being careful is that they are a major step up from the FK452 with regards to comfort and noise levels.
Hard to explain but a lot of the jarring that the Zed is prone too on ///M suspension and 18's has diminished.
Will need to bed them in before I try anything interesting, but looks like a great choice
Thanks for the recommendations and 1st Class Alloys for fitting and balancing
First reaction after just a few miles and being careful is that they are a major step up from the FK452 with regards to comfort and noise levels.
Hard to explain but a lot of the jarring that the Zed is prone too on ///M suspension and 18's has diminished.
Will need to bed them in before I try anything interesting, but looks like a great choice
Thanks for the recommendations and 1st Class Alloys for fitting and balancing
cj10jeeper said:Quick update guys. Tyres were shipped out mid week and fitted today.
First reaction after just a few miles and being careful is that they are a major step up from the FK452 with regards to comfort and noise levels.
Hard to explain but a lot of the jarring that the Zed is prone too on ///M suspension and 18's has diminished.
Will need to bed them in before I try anything interesting, but looks like a great choice
Thanks for the recommendations and 1st Class Alloys for fitting and balancing
Glad to hear, keep us updated when they are scrubbed in
Yep they are quiet tyres, and also great on fuel economy too.
I guess that is reflected in the ratings we see these days, the Asym 2 score great on noise and economy!
Though I do think the ride issue also comes down to tread block size. My Asym 2 at the back were worn right down and I'm sure they feel harder riding in that case. Thick tread blocks give them a nice squish and soften the ride I suppose.
Dave
I guess that is reflected in the ratings we see these days, the Asym 2 score great on noise and economy!
Though I do think the ride issue also comes down to tread block size. My Asym 2 at the back were worn right down and I'm sure they feel harder riding in that case. Thick tread blocks give them a nice squish and soften the ride I suppose.
Dave
Never go for a Vredestein. I had lots of issues with the thread wear when driving sporty. Next time I'm going to get a Michelin Pilot Sport 2. My 3 month old Vredestein tires look like this now:
Pieces of rubber just tear out of the tire. Not the wear you would expect. My mate is using Michelin Pilot Sport 2 on his Porsche Cayman R and no issues there, even though hes much less gentle on throttle out of corners.
Pieces of rubber just tear out of the tire. Not the wear you would expect. My mate is using Michelin Pilot Sport 2 on his Porsche Cayman R and no issues there, even though hes much less gentle on throttle out of corners.
Usa
It happens if you drive the tires to their limits in corners. A premium sport tire should be able to handle this. It's their Ultrac Vorti tire by the way
This was my previous set of tires from last year:
You probably think why is he using the same tire again? Well, they offered me to try another set for half the price. I thought maybe I had a bad one but the new ones wear exactly the same...
This was my previous set of tires from last year:
You probably think why is he using the same tire again? Well, they offered me to try another set for half the price. I thought maybe I had a bad one but the new ones wear exactly the same...