The only advice i can give on the verds. And its second had advice.... But i was talking to the guy that runs the tyre place i have always used ( hes a tyre legend in my view) He said he has them on his 330 coupe. But changed to a different make front tyre. And messed the feel of the car right up. He said they are amazing so put them back on the front and all was well?????
Tyre Choice now the FK452 is no more
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FunkyMunky
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Uniroyal Rainsport 3's an option?
My boss has changed to them and is raving all day long about how good they are - and he like me was always a Falken 452 fan. He currently runs a 2.8 Turbo X Saab for reference - not a run of the mill family hatchback
My boss has changed to them and is raving all day long about how good they are - and he like me was always a Falken 452 fan. He currently runs a 2.8 Turbo X Saab for reference - not a run of the mill family hatchback
I don't know about Rainsport3s, but I put some Rainsport1s on one of my old track-spec Peugeot 306 Gti6's. Might not have been the fairest test, but I passengered in it round Combe just after I'd sold it, and they were just dire. Chronic understeer after about 4 laps. And I couldn't fault the guys driving, super smooth...
I'm sure they're not a bad tyre on the road, but the sidewalls are so soft I can't imagine the feel is great on the limit...
I'm sure they're not a bad tyre on the road, but the sidewalls are so soft I can't imagine the feel is great on the limit...
i had 452's then went to khumo ku39s i think... they are the ecsta le sprot ones. decent enough i think couldnt really feel the difference between them as i had all 4 and a full geo at the same time.
I would whole hearted recommend the toyo t1r i have had a set on the westy for 3 yrs (granted at <2K pa) and lets say in that car im not mechanically forgiving on them and they haven't worn out yet. i recon they will go hard before i ruin them.
BUT....
that car weighs 600kg without me in and a teeny bit more with me. on a track they would scrub and dump the rubber into the tread a little and were pretty warm after 20 mins. nothing to worry about tbh. i would imagine on the rear of the much heavier Z i would expect them to wear out damn quick. a set of RRR would be eipc i would say.
I would whole hearted recommend the toyo t1r i have had a set on the westy for 3 yrs (granted at <2K pa) and lets say in that car im not mechanically forgiving on them and they haven't worn out yet. i recon they will go hard before i ruin them.
BUT....
that car weighs 600kg without me in and a teeny bit more with me. on a track they would scrub and dump the rubber into the tread a little and were pretty warm after 20 mins. nothing to worry about tbh. i would imagine on the rear of the much heavier Z i would expect them to wear out damn quick. a set of RRR would be eipc i would say.
The 2 top choices that i have seen after reading plenty of tyre threads are GY Eagle F1 ASY2 and Michelin PSS.
Sorry to hijack the thread a little but has anyone had both and know which is better? Tyre change coming up by the end of the summer and need to get planning
Sorry to hijack the thread a little but has anyone had both and know which is better? Tyre change coming up by the end of the summer and need to get planning
I don't mean to appear a keyboard warrior at all, but I'm amazed people rate Toyo Proxes T1Rs over here.They were referred to as ditchfinders on the 306 forums I've been on over the years. I drove my first GTi6 with a set, and swore I would never put them on a car again. The wet performance in my experience was frightening, and the dry performance, although grippy did not inspire confidence as the sidewall construction was very soft. In my experience it's always been a cheap tyre, and with any cheap tyre the breadth of ability is sacrificed to meet the pricepoint.
Having since tried Parada Spec2s (another tyre I will NEVER fit to a car again), and then Continental Contisport 5s, Michelin PS3s, and now Goodyears, I simply will not look at cheaper brands again. It sounds silly to write it, but given the amount of money you pay to buy and run a Zed, it seems bonkers to skimp on the bit that a) its the only contact between the car and the road, and b) gives you the confidence to find the available grip and ultimately get enjoyment out of the car's performance.
Sorry that sounds like a rant; back on topic, from the independent tyre reviews I've read, along with the general opinion on this forum;
1. The Michelin Pilot Supersports will give you the best dry performance and aren't bad in the wet. They are expensive and have a higher wear rate than slightly less out-and-out sport oriented premium tyres. On the reviews I read, most said they were running them solely on a second car. The wear is obviously higher corresponding to the increased dry grip. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Super-Sport.htm
2. Goodyear Eagle F1s were right up there. The PSS's were rated more highly for outright dry grip and feel on the limit, but the F1s had the edge on wear and on wet performance, and are significantly cheaper. and they do the right tyre sizes for the rears! :lol: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-2.htm
3. Vredstein Ultrac Sessanta; They're raved about on here, and I can't actually remember how they stack up against the Goodyears price-wise, but the Eagle F1s definitely have the edge as reviewed. The Eagle F1s had more wet & dry grip, better comfort, better wear. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Vredestein/Ultrac-Sessanta.htm
4. Michelin PS3: Another very good tyre in my experience. I put about 9k on them between May 2013 and March 2014 in my Renaultsport Megane R26 and couldn't fault them at all in both wet and dry conditions. The feedback was excellent, and they still had loads of life left in them when I moved on to the Zed. They're expensive; I think more so than the Eagle F1s, and the F1's were better where I wanted them to be, so I bought them this time! http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-3-PS3.htm
5. Toyo Proxes T1R: I've included these more for a comparison basis; I hope you don't go for them! They are good, but come with the age-old caveat "within the budget". The stats speak for themselves... http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Toyo/T1R.htm
I realise these are all from one review website, but the people who bother to review their tyres are usually into their cars and driving, so it stands to reason this should be very useful information from which to draw comparison and arrive at a tyre choice that suits you!
I hope that redeems me from my rant somewhat! :roll:
Having since tried Parada Spec2s (another tyre I will NEVER fit to a car again), and then Continental Contisport 5s, Michelin PS3s, and now Goodyears, I simply will not look at cheaper brands again. It sounds silly to write it, but given the amount of money you pay to buy and run a Zed, it seems bonkers to skimp on the bit that a) its the only contact between the car and the road, and b) gives you the confidence to find the available grip and ultimately get enjoyment out of the car's performance.
Sorry that sounds like a rant; back on topic, from the independent tyre reviews I've read, along with the general opinion on this forum;
1. The Michelin Pilot Supersports will give you the best dry performance and aren't bad in the wet. They are expensive and have a higher wear rate than slightly less out-and-out sport oriented premium tyres. On the reviews I read, most said they were running them solely on a second car. The wear is obviously higher corresponding to the increased dry grip. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Super-Sport.htm
2. Goodyear Eagle F1s were right up there. The PSS's were rated more highly for outright dry grip and feel on the limit, but the F1s had the edge on wear and on wet performance, and are significantly cheaper. and they do the right tyre sizes for the rears! :lol: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-2.htm
3. Vredstein Ultrac Sessanta; They're raved about on here, and I can't actually remember how they stack up against the Goodyears price-wise, but the Eagle F1s definitely have the edge as reviewed. The Eagle F1s had more wet & dry grip, better comfort, better wear. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Vredestein/Ultrac-Sessanta.htm
4. Michelin PS3: Another very good tyre in my experience. I put about 9k on them between May 2013 and March 2014 in my Renaultsport Megane R26 and couldn't fault them at all in both wet and dry conditions. The feedback was excellent, and they still had loads of life left in them when I moved on to the Zed. They're expensive; I think more so than the Eagle F1s, and the F1's were better where I wanted them to be, so I bought them this time! http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-3-PS3.htm
5. Toyo Proxes T1R: I've included these more for a comparison basis; I hope you don't go for them! They are good, but come with the age-old caveat "within the budget". The stats speak for themselves... http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Toyo/T1R.htm
I realise these are all from one review website, but the people who bother to review their tyres are usually into their cars and driving, so it stands to reason this should be very useful information from which to draw comparison and arrive at a tyre choice that suits you!
I hope that redeems me from my rant somewhat! :roll:
ben g said:
My rears are just about dead and I'm buying Asym 2 again.
Camskill have them for about £127.00 each... super cheap given how good they are.
Quiet, great on fuel, good grip, good wear. It's actually saving you money running these tyres in my experience, vs the FK452.
Dave
Ed Doe said:
Couldn’t agree more, Great post OP.
I can never understand why people put cheap tyres on a sports car, they affect everything, Braking, Steering, Control, Fuel, Grip, durability etc.
Its false economy putting on cheap tyres and i believe you pay for what you get in life.
The different between a midrange tyre and Premium tyre is quite big as IMO, i have tried Khumo's, Toyos and a few other mid-range tyres in the past (Not falken's) and they are good but that’s all they are, and when changing to a premium tyre i defiantly noticed a step up, the car feels safer and more controllable and inspires confidence.
I will always be sticking with a premium brand tyre whilst I own a car
Liverpool
Where did you find the info about the wear rate - as the info I've got shows the PSS and F1A2 are both 300 rated for wear - any my experience is that the PSS lasts about twice as long as the OE Conti's doing the same sort of driving (which in my case is about 20k for the rears, and 40k for the fronts).
I've read plenty of the magazine reviews of these tyres, and one week the Goodyear F1A2 wins, another week it's the Conti SC5, another week it's the Michelin PS3, and yet another it's the Michelin SuperSport.
Obviously the tyre can't be going from a great wet performer to a crap one over the course of a couple of weeks, so it's either got as much to do with the tyre size and the vehicle they're putting it on as with the way the tester drives.
One think I think we can all agree on is that if you use a F1A2, SC5 or PSS you'll be more than happy
I've read plenty of the magazine reviews of these tyres, and one week the Goodyear F1A2 wins, another week it's the Conti SC5, another week it's the Michelin PS3, and yet another it's the Michelin SuperSport.
Obviously the tyre can't be going from a great wet performer to a crap one over the course of a couple of weeks, so it's either got as much to do with the tyre size and the vehicle they're putting it on as with the way the tester drives.
One think I think we can all agree on is that if you use a F1A2, SC5 or PSS you'll be more than happy
GP06Roadster
Senior member
Ed Doe said:
Just speaking for me, my recommendation was for the Toyo T1 sport proxy which is a totally different tyre to the T1R. Grippy, comfortable and quiet. Full set about £480 from mytyres, really pleased with them.
mmm-five said:One think I think we can all agree on is that if you use a F1A2, SC5 or PSS you'll be more than happy
Well if you get the AS2 right now from Camskill you'll be more than happy than if you'd bought the others
I agree, they are all good tyres. My main issue swapping is that you need to time with the front pair needing upgrading too. That doesn't come around too often unless you're willing to sell the front pairs on, which is quite easy I suppose as lots of stuff runs 225/40 R18 these days!
Dave
