Tyre advise please

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Pooltee

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I have the 19” wheels on my Z4, and currently they are still wrapped with run flats. Although tread wise they are still reasonable, they are however starting to crack.

I wish to replace the tyres with Non Run Flats, and have been looking at lots of different options for a few weeks now, along with searching in here.

I can see that the Michelin PS4S get rates very highly, but I just can’t justify this sort of spend on a car that does not cover hardly any miles.

I guess what I am looking for is real life recommendations of what you guys would suggest without spending top money. I have been looking at tyres such as Avon’s, and Khumo, but again I do not want to spend a large amount of money only to buy something that is rubbish.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Paul
 
Mr Wilks is the doyen of sensible price tyre suggestions..I'm sure he will be along shortly :thumbsup:
 
I have Dunlop SP Sport Maxx (or something like that) and they’re nice and comfy (and quiet) - good dB, wet grip and fuel ratings too :thumbsup:
 
Pooltee said:
... I do not want to spend a large amount of money only to buy something that is rubbish.
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The tyre market is crowded and, therefore, price is a critical factor. So, you won't "spend a large amount of money only to buy something that is rubbish".
 
Busterboo said:
Pooltee said:
... I do not want to spend a large amount of money only to buy something that is rubbish.
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The tyre market is crowded and, therefore, price is a critical factor. Accordingly, buy the best you can afford.

(Personally, I believe that low mileage is no excuse for buying less than the very good. When push comes to shove, the fours patches of rubber on the road may well decide if you live or die.)
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I 100% get where you are coming from buster, and if cash wasn’t an issue, it would have 4 Michelin’s on it in a heart beat, but the £700 odd required is not available for this car, so looking to get as good as I can for about £500 if that is at all possible. I know I can get a set of 4 fitted for that money, but what are the chances of them being rubbish. I have only ever run Bridgestone on my 320, but that is only because they left the factory with them, and they are £400 for a full set lol.
 
Vredestein Vorti would be me choice with your aims in mind , that said Avon or Kumho ive tried both & i don't think they would disappoint you either if they were what you preferred .
You clearly want the best but with a eye on the spend , there really is no other tyre that can tick both those boxes , you could buy slightly cheaper & " risk it " but the Vreds are proven to do 99% of the job for 70% of the money when compared to the big hitters
Around £400 on your doorstep for a pair of 255 30 19 / 225 35 19 but id pay the extra £20 per tyre on the rears & switch to 245 35 19


https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/255-30-zr19-91y-799016

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/225-35-zr19-88y-796135

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/245-35-zr19-93y-799014
 
mr wilks said:
Vredestein Vorti would be me choice with your aims in mind , that said Avon or Kumho ive tried both & i don't think they would disappoint you either if they were what you preferred .
You clearly want the best but with a eye on the spend , there really is no other tyre that can tick both those boxes , you could buy slightly cheaper & " risk it " but the Vreds are proven to do 99% of the job for 70% of the money when compared to the big hitters
Around £400 on your doorstep for a pair of 255 30 19 / 225 35 19 but id pay the extra £20 per tyre on the rears & switch to 245 35 19


https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/255-30-zr19-91y-799016

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/225-35-zr19-88y-796135

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/245-35-zr19-93y-799014
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Mr Wilks, thank you very much for your advice and suggestions. Exactly the sort of explanation I was looking for. I have looked at the Vred’s whilst scrolling through, but it’s a tyre I have no experience with, so unless recommended by a real life user, I would have passed them off so thanks again for that.

Just out of curiosity, what benefits does reducing the width of the rear tyre bring? I am guessing with the increased profile it helps to smooth the ride out a little more?
 
Pooltee said:
mr wilks said:
Vredestein Vorti would be me choice with your aims in mind , that said Avon or Kumho ive tried both & i don't think they would disappoint you either if they were what you preferred .
You clearly want the best but with a eye on the spend , there really is no other tyre that can tick both those boxes , you could buy slightly cheaper & " risk it " but the Vreds are proven to do 99% of the job for 70% of the money when compared to the big hitters
Around £400 on your doorstep for a pair of 255 30 19 / 225 35 19 but id pay the extra £20 per tyre on the rears & switch to 245 35 19


https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/255-30-zr19-91y-799016

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/225-35-zr19-88y-796135

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/vredestein/ultrac-vorti/245-35-zr19-93y-799014
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Mr Wilks, thank you very much for your advice and suggestions. Exactly the sort of explanation I was looking for. I have looked at the Vred’s whilst scrolling through, but it’s a tyre I have no experience with, so unless recommended by a real life user, I would have passed them off so thanks again for that.

Just out of curiosity, what benefits does reducing the width of the rear tyre bring? I am guessing with the increased profile it helps to smooth the ride out a little more?
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Ihad Vred Vorti on both my twin turbo 35i E89s , i have a set currently on my 997 Carrera4 & id happily put them on the ZMR i recently bought , they easily cope with anything 99% of users would ever require from a tyre , i really can't see you regretting buying them .
The switch to 245 35 not only gives you a bit more comfort , it protects the alloy & marginally reduces arch gap , everything to gain by doing so , , 255 35 i would only fit on a 9.5j rim & yours should be 9j :thumbsup:
 
As Mr Wilks said..

https://tyres.rezulteo.co.uk/blog/tyre-news/tyre-reviews/2019-best-sports-tyres-auto-bild-uhp-summer-tyre-test-9232

Tyre

Ranking

Remarks

Pirelli P Zero PZ4

1

Winner without flaws

Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5

2

Exemplary handling, relatively high rolling resistance

Continental Premium Contact 6

3

Good handling and precise everywhere, high noise

Michelin Pilot Sport 4

4=

Safe, sporty performance, most expensive tyre of the comparison test

Vredestein Ultrac Vorti

4=

Best price performance ratio, relatively high rolling resistance

Hankook Ventus S1 evo2

6

Good handling on all surfaces, relatively long wet braking

Nokian Powerproof

7

Safe in dry conditions, relatively long wet braking distances

Bridgestone Turanza T005

8=

Good in dry conditions, not as good in the wet

Maxxis Premitra 5

8=

The cheapest, slow steering response

Toyo Proxes Sport

8=

Good resistance to aquaplaning, tends to understeer

Fulda Sport Control 2

11

Economical, relatively long wet braking distances
 
And another two reviews.. :driving:

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Tyre-Reviews-UHP-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Auto-Bild-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

You can prove anything with these reports, usually supports your own prejudices :rofl:

I guess (to come full circle) its all about the particular chassis and the tyre..so unless you do the test on a Z4 in the same spec its never ever going to be definitive..

Discuss..
 
Not seen the above before but cements my own thoughts , two of my favourites of the last 18 months are the current Pzero & Conti 6 though id wager longterm both would be outdone in mileage terms by the Michelin .
Broadly speaking though the different brands in tests are usually defined by miniscule margins most of us would never get to in everyday use & readers should also factor in the tests are not done in the same cars as you or i will be fitting them to :wink: then finally the comments & reviews often posted on tyre buying sites are purely subjective to the users own opinion & we all know about those :oops:
 
My 35iS came fitted with Vredestein Ultrac Vorti and I don't rate them. They are fine in the dry when warm but struggle in the wet. For the extra money I'll be replacing them with MPS4S. I will probably replace them before due to be honest as I don't rate the Vreds.

I run MPS4 and MPS3 on two other cars and they are great.
 
richg said:
My 35iS came fitted with Vredestein Ultrac Vorti and I don't rate them. They are fine in the dry when warm but struggle in the wet. For the extra money I'll be replacing them with MPS4S. I will probably replace them before due to be honest as I don't rate the Vreds.

I run MPS4 and MPS3 on two other cars and they are great.
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& there you go op :P the other side of the coin :D
Incidentally "richg" , the MPS3 are possibly the low point of all Michelin "performance" rubber of them all so if you rate those :oops:
The PS2 in their day imo were in a league of their own & still perform well against much newer tyres :driving: far closer to a PS4 than a PS3 or MPSS
 
Pooltee said:
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"richg" is looking to switch his Vreds off early , perfect opportunity :roll: get some pics up "rich" providing there is at least 5mm on them if mr Pooltee doesn't want them i'm interested :wink:
 
mr wilks said:
Pooltee said:
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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"richg" is looking to switch his Vreds off early , perfect opportunity :roll: get some pics up "rich" providing there is at least 5mm on them if mr Pooltee doesn't want them i'm interested :wink:
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Good point sir!! Could be a good way of seeing if they are right for me.

If you are looking to sell, let we know what price you have in mind :D
 
Having had a set of Vredstein Vorti and then changing to Michelin I would have no hesitation to going back to Vredstein next time to be honest I do not see such a great difference.
 
I’m running vreds, and as mr Wilks will confirm after running round France for 3 days in the rain last year at a pace they performed well.

Saying “Get Michelins” is brand snobbery as much as anything else.
 
Most drivers do not need the very best tire money can buy. Take the advice above and be content knowing you are getting 90% of the very best for 70% of the cost as MrW posted.

The rest of you fools get in line behind me for MPS4s :lol:
 
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