Typical Yaris Driver
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Can't quite see how anyone thinks the Yaris was at fault, also the camera distorts and makes distance look further than it actually is so you can't really judge what the Yaris driver would have seen.
Also the car that is being over taken brakes, you can see it slowing aas the BMW only just makes
It past. I would think if the driver of the car being overtaken didn't brake like he did the BMW driver would not have been able to pull in as he did.
The Yaris driver wasn't driving too fast at all considering there is a clearly marked centre line.
Only one idiot here and that was the BMW driver
Also the car that is being over taken brakes, you can see it slowing aas the BMW only just makes
It past. I would think if the driver of the car being overtaken didn't brake like he did the BMW driver would not have been able to pull in as he did.
The Yaris driver wasn't driving too fast at all considering there is a clearly marked centre line.
Only one idiot here and that was the BMW driver
Maybe that's what 90 mph looks like to somebody in their 70'sTitanTim said:Zeld4 said:
I disagree, I reckon the Yaris driver was doing at least 90mph which didn't give the BMW driver time to pull in sooner, the Yaris driver then tried to cover his tracks by slowing the film down at the end :wink:
The most important thing is he got a cup of tea
Tim.
Zeld4 said:
You're sort of disagreeing with yourself there mate. First you say "you can't tell" then you actually agree with Marlon & say the "BMW driver pull in, in time".
Anyway, regardless of whether the chap on the right braked to let the Bee-em in, there was room enough and no need to go skidding into a brick wall. I'd chalk that one up to inexperienced driver in the Yaris personally.
Peace
I really hope that Tim was being sarcastic! The Yaris passes about 3 sets of centre line & spaces in 1 second, they look to be 1004.1 lines which means each set is 9m long. So that's about 27 meters in 1 second which comes out at around 60mph! If they're not 1004.1 lines then they should only be shorter than that and thus the Yaris would be going more slowly!Zeld4 said:Maybe that's what 90 mph looks like to somebody in their 70'sTitanTim said:Zeld4 said:
I disagree, I reckon the Yaris driver was doing at least 90mph which didn't give the BMW driver time to pull in sooner, the Yaris driver then tried to cover his tracks by slowing the film down at the end :wink:
The most important thing is he got a cup of tea
Tim.
What I meant to say was I know that camera angles make things look futher away having been in television studios many times so it's very hard for any of us including me to make a judgement on how close it is.stuartC said:Zeld4 said:
You're sort of disagreeing with yourself there mate. First you say "you can't tell" then you actually agree with Marlon & say the "BMW driver pull in, in time".
Anyway, regardless of whether the chap on the right braked to let the Bee-em in, there was room enough and no need to go skidding into a brick wall. I'd chalk that one up to inexperienced driver in the Yaris personally.
Peace
Cheers
Zeld4 said:What I meant to say was I know that camera angles make things look futher away having been in television studios many times so it's very hard for any of us including me to make a judgement on how close it is.stuartC said:Zeld4 said:
You're sort of disagreeing with yourself there mate. First you say "you can't tell" then you actually agree with Marlon & say the "BMW driver pull in, in time".
Anyway, regardless of whether the chap on the right braked to let the Bee-em in, there was room enough and no need to go skidding into a brick wall. I'd chalk that one up to inexperienced driver in the Yaris personally.
Peace
Cheers
Gotcha -- yeah most GoPro-type devices have an uber wide angle FoV so makes stuff look very far away.
Very slow reactions there from the Yaris driver! I avoided a fox recently and my reaction time was 0.5s...
I'm surprised that crest does not have double white lines.
I think the BMW committed to the overtake with what looks like a fair distance clear ahead. From the top of the crest to the oncoming vehicles at point of the Yaris skidding there are 10 lane markings and the BMW is pulling in half straddling the lines. That's 90 metres as each lane marking is 6 m long with a 3 m gap. I think it's a fair estimate to say the BMW had around 150m of road clear ahead before the Yaris came into view but with a closing speed of 120 mph that's only 3 seconds
Should the BMW have aborted? Difficult to say as on the one occasion I have had to do so the car I was overtaking also braked at the same time, leaving me with no escape route.
I can imagine it being a poorly planned overtake as it took approx. 6 seconds for him to pull in and he was already mid overtake.
Yaris driver reacts slowly and then over reacts to the threat, if he hadn't braked as heavily and left the carriageway he would have undoubtedly collided.
The only way I can see that being avoided, on the Yaris' part, would have been to brake earlier making it much less likely to have locked up.
There's always something to learn even if you're not technically at fault.
I'm surprised that crest does not have double white lines.
I think the BMW committed to the overtake with what looks like a fair distance clear ahead. From the top of the crest to the oncoming vehicles at point of the Yaris skidding there are 10 lane markings and the BMW is pulling in half straddling the lines. That's 90 metres as each lane marking is 6 m long with a 3 m gap. I think it's a fair estimate to say the BMW had around 150m of road clear ahead before the Yaris came into view but with a closing speed of 120 mph that's only 3 seconds
Should the BMW have aborted? Difficult to say as on the one occasion I have had to do so the car I was overtaking also braked at the same time, leaving me with no escape route.
I can imagine it being a poorly planned overtake as it took approx. 6 seconds for him to pull in and he was already mid overtake.
Yaris driver reacts slowly and then over reacts to the threat, if he hadn't braked as heavily and left the carriageway he would have undoubtedly collided.
The only way I can see that being avoided, on the Yaris' part, would have been to brake earlier making it much less likely to have locked up.
There's always something to learn even if you're not technically at fault.
After reading Zeld4's take on the incident I've watched the vid several times. I agree that the camera does distort the distance, but nevertheless I still think the Yaris driver could have avoided the crash if his reactions and driving skills were a little sharper. I still think that he over reacted to the situation.
Marlon said:After reading Zeld4's take on the incident I've watched the vid several times. I agree that the camera does distort the distance, but nevertheless I still think the Yaris driver could have avoided the crash if his reactions and driving skills were a little sharper. I still think that he over reacted to the situation.
Good still shots
to me that shows there looks to have been plenty of time for the BMW to pull the overtake off even though it wasn't a great place to do it, although unsure if it might have been different if the Yaris hadn't braked as much as it did. It shows though how poorly the Yaris behaved under hard braking. He shoudn't have lost control so easily.Tim.
After watching this a few times to get a feel for it, the thing that sticks in my mind was if I was driving the Yaris (a very cold day in hell), as soon as I crested the hill and saw a car in the middle of the road I'd have automatically lifted off the gas and covered the brake, a few milliseconds later I would instinctively known not to brake as the BM would be clear, no drama.
It's easy to say through 31 yrs of driving and doing +20,000 miles a year for the last 20 of them, my over riding thought is that he panicked and crashed. Oh and the last thing the BMW driver should have done was brake, I've seen that done so many times both the overtaker and the overtaken braking at the same time, that get's real scary real quick.
It's easy to say through 31 yrs of driving and doing +20,000 miles a year for the last 20 of them, my over riding thought is that he panicked and crashed. Oh and the last thing the BMW driver should have done was brake, I've seen that done so many times both the overtaker and the overtaken braking at the same time, that get's real scary real quick.
sars said:
sars, after seeing you at Dick Lovetts in Bristol, I'm amazed!... you don't look old enough to have been driving for 31 years
And I think the Yaris driver well over reacted, he must have looked like a bloody teletubby with that camera on his head
