Train drivers striking over pay

[Scubaregs]

The last one is a wind up, right?

 

[pvr]

Bet you couldn't retire in your early fifties either on a fully funded pension where you had to contribute 5 pence a month in :x

Who gets those conditions? I worked in the rail industry & it certainly wasn’t available to me.
Rob

50 under the old scheme with protected pension age, 55 otherwise:

https://www.mynrpension.co.uk/retiring-3/

I assume if you were part of the old scheme before 2004 that you had the 50 option?

 

[Smartbear]

Bet you couldn't retire in your early fifties either on a fully funded pension where you had to contribute 5 pence a month in :x

Who gets those conditions? I worked in the rail industry & it certainly wasn’t available to me.
Rob

50 under the old scheme with protected pension age, 55 otherwise:

https://www.mynrpension.co.uk/retiring-3/

I assume if you were part of the old scheme before 2004 that you had the 50 option?

I’m not talking about the retirement age but the 5pence a month contribution you brought up.
Rob

 

[Pondy]

The last one is a wind up, right?

Dunno, but the picture in the one above is a still of Dustin Hoffman from the set of "The Graduate", just as he realises Anne Bancroft is actually a post-op trans. :lol:

 

[Scubaregs]

Would that have stopped you Pondy?

 

[dhobbs]

Firstly why does any union hold to ransom innocent people purely for financial gains?
Secondly if any union member doesn't like their job/wages why not get a different job?

Can you tell who's side I'm on.

 

[Pondy]

Not much discussion going on re the barrister's strike though, guess it doesn't impact that many people so isn't really hot news.

I bet their picket line is hilarious...all sat on Harrods garden furniture around a chiminea , eating foie gras and drinking merlot from Waterford glasses.

 

[Mr Tidy]

Firstly why does any union hold to ransom innocent people purely for financial gains?
Secondly if any union member doesn't like their job/wages why not get a different job?

I think the answer to the first question is because they can, and to the second it's because they can't!

 

[Smartbear]

Firstly why does any union hold to ransom innocent people purely for financial gains?
Secondly if any union member doesn't like their job/wages why not get a different job?

Can you tell who's side I'm on.

Incorrect, strike action isn’t purely for financial gain - safety is a massive issue behind this strike & previous occasions.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/22/rail-strikes-have-nothing-to-do-with-money-says-worker-16871346/
The problem with your suggestion of just leaving if things go downhill is you end up in a race to the bottom, why not join a company that has a trade union to act on your behalf?
Do you enjoy paid holiday/sick leave with your present job? Improvements to working conditions like these were fought for by the unions & their members.
Rob

 

[Nanu]

Mick Lynch is just a clone of Arthur Scargill who has his own agenda.

If he was for the workers, then why didn't he put the last offer negotiated by his team of negotiators to the membership and let them decide if it was a good offer or not. He and the union executive just said no, it didn't matter what the members thought.

 

[Nanu]

It is odd all the focus is on train drivers when they're actually one of the smallest minority of workers in the railway system but then i guess we wouldn't have the dramatic headlines and agenda for the Conservatives to try and destroy workers rights.. they employ many more low paid support staff who earn sub 25k p.a. that are going to stuggle to make ends meet this winter.

Couldn’t agree more

Just as the Labour party employ workers on zero hours contracts.

 

[Nanu]

Firstly why does any union hold to ransom innocent people purely for financial gains?
Secondly if any union member doesn't like their job/wages why not get a different job?

Can you tell who's side I'm on.

Incorrect, strike action isn’t purely for financial gain - safety is a massive issue behind this strike & previous occasions.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/22/rail-strikes-have-nothing-to-do-with-money-says-worker-16871346/
The problem with your suggestion of just leaving if things go downhill is you end up in a race to the bottom, why not join a company that has a trade union to act on your behalf?
Do you enjoy paid holiday/sick leave with your present job? Improvements to working conditions like these were fought for by the unions & their members.
Rob

Safety a massive issue? One of the current practices they are trying to change is rail staff walking the tracks, tapping the rails and looking for defects. Some in the past have been killed. In Germany and other countries they have cameras mounted on trains taking thousands of frames per minute doing the same thing remotely. Some counties use drones to check the track rather than humans which break easily when hit by a train. Much safer I suspect.

 

[Nanu]

It is odd all the focus is on train drivers when they're actually one of the smallest minority of workers in the railway system but then i guess we wouldn't have the dramatic headlines and agenda for the Conservatives to try and destroy workers rights.. they employ many more low paid support staff who earn sub 25k p.a. that are going to stuggle to make ends meet this winter.

Couldn’t agree more

Just as the Labour party employ workers on zero hours contracts. This is not about pay, it's part of a wider effort by the unions to bring down the Govt.

 

[Pondy]

Can we do teachers next? Please!

Seems to be the highest paid public sector workers are the ones wanting to strike all the time. Train drivers, barristers, teachers! Of course, it's not actually their fault. No public sector worker has the first clue, or cares, where the money actually comes from.

If I knew 35 years ago what I know now, I would have moved heaven and earth to work in the public sector. Pensions, pay rises, striking if you don't get a good one, holidays...all a different world to the one I have lived in being a small businessman for 30 years. :roll:

 

[Reamesy]

Maybe this will please certain members on here…
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Rob

 

[Smartbear]

Firstly why does any union hold to ransom innocent people purely for financial gains?
Secondly if any union member doesn't like their job/wages why not get a different job?

Can you tell who's side I'm on.

Incorrect, strike action isn’t purely for financial gain - safety is a massive issue behind this strike & previous occasions.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/22/rail-strikes-have-nothing-to-do-with-money-says-worker-16871346/
The problem with your suggestion of just leaving if things go downhill is you end up in a race to the bottom, why not join a company that has a trade union to act on your behalf?
Do you enjoy paid holiday/sick leave with your present job? Improvements to working conditions like these were fought for by the unions & their members.
Rob

Safety a massive issue? One of the current practices they are trying to change is rail staff walking the tracks, tapping the rails and looking for defects. Some in the past have been killed. In Germany and other countries they have cameras mounted on trains taking thousands of frames per minute doing the same thing remotely. Some counties use drones to check the track rather than humans which break easily when hit by a train. Much safer I suspect.

So the camera can tell if the bolts are torqued correctly can it? Unless you have experience in the industry it maybe best not to comment on technical issues.
When the train derails do you suspect it could injure more than 1 person?
Rob

 

[Smartbear]

Can we do teachers next? Please!

Seems to be the highest paid public sector workers are the ones wanting to strike all the time. Train drivers, barristers, teachers! Of course, it's not actually their fault. No public sector worker has the first clue, or cares, where the money actually comes from.

If I knew 35 years ago what I know now, I would have moved heaven and earth to work in the public sector. Pensions, pay rises, striking if you don't get a good one, holidays...all a different world to the one I have lived in being a small businessman for 30 years. :roll:

Holidays? London Underground runs everyday apart from Christmas Day & staff can be rostered to work every bank holiday.
These jobs are available for everyone to apply for
Rob

 

[Reamesy]

Can we do teachers next? Please!

Seems to be the highest paid public sector workers are the ones wanting to strike all the time. Train drivers, barristers, teachers! Of course, it's not actually their fault. No public sector worker has the first clue, or cares, where the money actually comes from.

If I knew 35 years ago what I know now, I would have moved heaven and earth to work in the public sector. Pensions, pay rises, striking if you don't get a good one, holidays...all a different world to the one I have lived in being a small businessman for 30 years. :roll:

The great public sector pension I was getting was 14% of my wages for 30 years service. To then be told you will now work 40 years and receive 4/5ths of what I was due. Good old government. Then they give themselves a hefty pay rise year on year and a cracking pension.

I think people are just sick of being beaten when they are down. History has taught us eventually there will be a push back. That’s life!

 

[Reamesy]

Can we do teachers next? Please!

Seems to be the highest paid public sector workers are the ones wanting to strike all the time. Train drivers, barristers, teachers! Of course, it's not actually their fault. No public sector worker has the first clue, or cares, where the money actually comes from.

If I knew 35 years ago what I know now, I would have moved heaven and earth to work in the public sector. Pensions, pay rises, striking if you don't get a good one, holidays...all a different world to the one I have lived in being a small businessman for 30 years. :roll:

Holidays? London Underground runs everyday apart from Christmas Day & staff can be rostered to work every bank holiday.
These jobs are available for everyone to apply for
Rob

correct

 

[Reamesy]

Can we do teachers next? Please!

Seems to be the highest paid public sector workers are the ones wanting to strike all the time. Train drivers, barristers, teachers! Of course, it's not actually their fault. No public sector worker has the first clue, or cares, where the money actually comes from.

If I knew 35 years ago what I know now, I would have moved heaven and earth to work in the public sector. Pensions, pay rises, striking if you don't get a good one, holidays...all a different world to the one I have lived in being a small businessman for 30 years. :roll:

Holidays? London Underground runs everyday apart from Christmas Day & staff can be rostered to work every bank holiday.
These jobs are available for everyone to apply for
Rob

correct