TPM / TPMS revisited

[ThirdMLC]

Thanks B21.
Yes, it’s a UK car with original BMW MV2 alloys with 225/40/r18 front & 255/35/r18 rear, with correct pressures. I assume a previous owner (or dealer) replaced the original wheels, probably if they were 19” that seem prone to cracking. The MV2 alloys have normal rubber valves (not the large alloy valves) which suggests there are no sensors in any of the wheels…
Using a Launch Creader Elite (BMW edition) there are no fault codes reported, other than the AUC sensor (which I’ll change another time).
Therefore, as I”m about to replace the tyres (all 4 are different brands ) I’ll get the tyre fitter to install some tyre pressure sensors - I’m going to give these a try as they claim to work on my car / year:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373134212744?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vGvE_dHUSNy&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=1CnA1I00QbS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Thanks again.

 

[B21]

Since you don’t have the TPMS system there will be no benefit in adding TPMS sensors to the wheels…FWIW..

 

[matsmith749]

I tried this every which way under the sun - there is no way I have found to display the tyre pressures on CIC systems (which we all have on an e89 no matter the year).

You will see various options in the pro coding tools that look like they will ebnable it - they will not.

The images linked in this thread aren't even from an e89 or the CIC system which we have - more confusing than helpful IMHO.

 

[AnubisZed]

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The images linked in this thread aren't even from an e89...

I never said they were, they are indicative of the two screen views available on the E89.

... or the CIC system which we have - more confusing than helpful IMHO.

They are both CIC vehicles, so are very helpful, especially in the context of which they were posted. I did also specifically state "just ignore the actual trye pressure readings on the screen as that's a special coding, not standard"

 

[ThirdMLC]

Since you don’t have the TPMS system there will be no benefit in adding TPMS sensors to the wheels

BMW have just verified via the VIN, that the car does have TPMS installed so will need sensors in each wheel. I’m going to give the Hamaton sensors (pre-configured for Z4 2010) a try to avoid paying >£70 per sensor from the dealer or the local tyre fitter… Will let you know how it goes either way :driving:

 

[Nictrix]

Since you don’t have the TPMS system there will be no benefit in adding TPMS sensors to the wheels

BMW have just verified via the VIN, that the car does have TPMS installed so will need sensors in each wheel. I’m going to give the Hamaton sensors (pre-configured for Z4 2010) a try to avoid paying >£70 per sensor from the dealer or the local tyre fitter… Will let you know how it goes either way :driving:

I'm sure bmw are wrong and you will be buying sensors that do not work with your car.
They have maybe misunderstood what you have asked them. The car has a type of monitoring system but not one that requires sensors in each wheel.
Someone will correct me but I don't think sensors in the wheels came about until after 2012.

 

[matsmith749]

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The images linked in this thread aren't even from an e89...

I never said they were, they are indicative of the two screen views available on the E89.

... or the CIC system which we have - more confusing than helpful IMHO.

They are both CIC vehicles, so are very helpful, especially in the context of which they were posted. I did also specifically state "just ignore the actual trye pressure readings on the screen as that's a special coding, not standard"

I disagree.

There is no 'special coding' to make these tyre pressure values appear on the e89 display screens - it just doesn't do it.

I get it that you are the font of all knowledge etc, but seeing your pics & the words needed special coding immediately gave me the impression I had missed something that was possible.

Hence not helpful / misleading.

 

[B21]

If you tip the vin into a decoder and see S2VBA you have TPMS..if not you have FTM flat tyre monitor

It’s possible to retrofit TPMS but I think it would a world first..

Realoem suggests TPMS was fitted as standard from March 2014 in Europe..

 

[AnubisZed]

I disagree.

There is no 'special coding' to make these tyre pressure values appear on the e89 display screens - it just doesn't do it.

I get it that you are the font of all knowledge etc, but seeing your pics & the words needed special coding immediately gave me the impression I had missed something that was possible.

Hence not helpful / misleading.

1) I never said there was special coding for the E89, in fact if you'd read my reply post a few down I actually tell another member exactly that and why!

2) I'm not the font of all knowledge, never thought I was, never will. But I do do a hell of a lot of research for the things I do, I read on multiple owners sites and other places as well as personal testing where required before I do something solid, and before I impart that knowledge to others. The point being that I'll read something and then if it looks like something I want to do I'll then research it completely before trying it myself, ie I read up ALL information I can find on the subject.
If you've read one post and not looked into it properly then that's your fault, do not say I've put something on that is misleading when in reality if you'd read everything pertaining to it in the first place you'd have seen I expanded on it later to say its for the NBT system (technically its actually not NBT its F series CIC which was a separate system to the E series CIC but is not compatible and was in fact the NBT but without the updated graphics).The photo was indicative only to represent the TPMS system compared to the FTM system and not the individual tyre pressure readings shown, and is special coding on the later system and not standard.

There is no wonder that some owners that have knowledge stop helping others and go silent when this is what you get for helping out. :thumbsdown:

 

[matsmith749]

I'm not going into battle - not got time for that Dave.

I'm just saying it as I see it. I understand you disagree, and that's ok.

I'm not going to reciprocate your blaming & acusations - life is too short.

Peace - out.

 

[B21]

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There is no wonder that some owners that have knowledge stop helping others and go silent when this is what you get for helping out. :thumbsdown:
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Dave, FWIW I’m sure most folks are with me in appreciating what you and the other SMEs (subject matter experts) do for this and other forums…

I get really pissed off with the sharp acerbic comments but have to accept that forums are not always populated by polite , well read, appreciative audiences.. :headbang:

At any point in time each of us has a body of knowledge that extends so far..I’m still learning despite 6+ years of hoovering as much info from multiple sources as possible.. :tumbleweed:

So please continue to support us, especially those new to the subject areas

 

[enuff_zed]

There is no wonder that some owners that have knowledge stop helping others and go silent when this is what you get for helping out. :thumbsdown:
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Dave, FWIW I’m sure most folks are with me in appreciating what you and the other SMEs (subject matter experts) do for this and other forums…

I get really pissed off with the sharp acerbic comments but have to accept that forums are not always populated by polite , well read, appreciative audiences.. :headbang:

At any point in time each of us has a body of knowledge that extends so far..I’m still learning despite 6+ years of hoovering as much info from multiple sources as possible.. :tumbleweed:

So please continue to support us, especially those new to the subject areas
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I fully concur!
Whilst I'm happy to do all the hacking and bashing stuff I am eternally grateful there are people out there who understand the finer points of electrickery etc.
And yes.......... I sometimes cannot be bothered either. When you've told someone five times to check a particular component and they still keep coming back asking what the codes mean............. and they read somewhere that.................. :headbang: :rofl:

 

[AnubisZed]

I have no intention of disappearing any time soon, after all I've still got stuff to put on YouTube yet :rofl: just need to find the time, almost a year after I filmed them, to get them edited, unfortunately other things get in the way.
Yes still learning here as well, all the retrofits I've done, mentioned in the other post, work as they should but there are things I'm still trying to get working :rofl:
Onwards and upwards :driving:

 

[matsmith749]

There weren't any sharp or acerbic comments (not from me anyways). Nor any impoliteness.

I just disagreed.

But I don't have a fanboy attitude either, I thought the comment was poor & misleading.

That's allowed.

 

[enuff_zed]

I don't have a fanboy attitude either,

Ooh, that's a little acerbic. oke: :rofl:

 

[Jasonn]

Morning all, just jumping onto this one.

Got in the car today got tyre pressure warning, tyres all OK, warning is for all four tyres - picture of car with arrows pointing at all off them, not using run flats since I replaced them back in 2020.

Reset idrive which showed all four wheels as amber then green drove to end of road, turned round and stopped engine, started it again, same warning reset and parked it back on the drive.

It got cold here last night after driving through the heavy thunderstorm and hail combo (down to 6 degrees according to the car from 20 during the day).

I'm wondering if driving through the standing water combined with the temperature drop has caused this, I'm going out again in a bit, just wondered if any one else had this?

 

[enuff_zed]

Morning all, just jumping onto this one.

Got in the car today got tyre pressure warning, tyres all OK, warning is for all four tyres - picture of car with arrows pointing at all off them, not using run flats since I replaced them back in 2020.

Reset idrive which showed all four wheels as amber then green drove to end of road, turned round and stopped engine, started it again, same warning reset and parked it back on the drive.

It got cold here last night after driving through the heavy thunderstorm and hail combo (down to 6 degrees according to the car from 20 during the day).

I'm wondering if driving through the standing water combined with the temperature drop has caused this, I'm going out again in a bit, just wondered if any one else had this?

Forgive the stupid question, but I assume you did actually check the tyre pressures?
Perhaps they have all just dropped a little with the colder temps, but then you should have noticed that when you checked them?
Or you previously did a reset when they were really hot? And noe they've dropped back to normal. Bear in mind the system is looking at discrepancies from the datum you reset to, not actual pressures.
Also, it could well be that just to the end of the road wasn't far enough for the system to reset. Do it again and take it further.

 

[AnubisZed]

Procedure from the manual....

 

[ThirdMLC]

Since you don’t have the TPMS system there will be no benefit in adding TPMS sensors to the wheels…FWIW..

Hi B21 & Nictrix - you’re both correct (& the local dealer not so much ;-)) !!
Thanks for your advice. The strange thing is the red FTM warning light went off after a major service. They removed the MV2 alloys to bleed the brakes (hadn’t had a fluid change in 6yrs…) and found & removed two spigots wedged on the front hubs (they’re not needed as they were crushed). After driving it home a few miles the red warning light went off and has remained off
Even better, just had a set of Goodyear F1 Assymetric 6s fitted and a 4- wheel alignment done (it was way off on all wheels) and the car has been transformed !!!
Now onto replacing a dead MULF2, retrofitting Cruise (parts ordered and YouTube video watched several time - thanks Dave )
Finally will need to track down a pair of rear lights or find a way to fix a few dim / dead indicator LEDs ;-)

Thanks again !!

PS. Didn’t mean to stir things up by reposting on this old thread ;-)

 

[B21]

Glad you got it sorted AND reported back..a satisfied customer …FWIW faulty led indicator in the rear light is a no hoper / fatal / dead parrot issue..replacing the whole unit is your only course of action..sadly..