Tire wear-a word to the wise

Flycaster

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 Boynton Beach, FL
I've got a 4 year old 2005 2.5i Z4 that is primarily a garage queen and has under 18K miles. During a special free BMW post-warranty inspection, it was pointed out to me that the rear tires (RFTs)were getting unsafe, particularly the right rear one. A couple of reasons for this (even though I would check tire pressure every month and adjust accordingly-however the tires were wearing evenly and showing no signs of inflation or alignment problems). First, on inital starting, the right rear tire does more work than the left one. And, of course, the rear tires, in general will wear out before the fronts (present tread depth is 6/32) rear drive cars. And another important contributor to excessive rear tire wear is that I didn't rotate the tires.

So, aside from keeping tires properly inflated, I strongly suggest that if you want to keep your tires as long as possible, rotate them. Now, there is another consideration: Could it be that I disliked these RFTs so much that I unconsciously let them wear out sooner than they should have??? Could be, could be.
 
Thats when you lift it, spin the tire with your hand and yell "ROTATE"!


You'd be amazed how well it works
 
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Actually I'm kidding. I had to get that joke in because I'm sure ya'll will get me with so much more.

Rotating the tires is when we swap tires from right to left and front to back.
Depending on which model z4 and which type (directional) of tires your may or may not be able to do this.
It does extend the life of the tire a bit.

If a tire company does it for the US folk, they will usually rebalance them too.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43
 
My car would look a bit odd with the large tires at the front and the narrow ones at the rear :D

Oh - and rotating would only be front to rear, not left to right as well as that would change the direction and wreck them.
 
:rofl:
ok i see. i have the 2004 3.0 SE with the Z4M wheels. i had it aligned about a month ago. so can i do it?
 
Flycathcer
You can only rotate on certain tyre and rim combinations. Some tyres that many use, such as Falknes, are uni directional and many rims are staggered with wider on the rear. That means there can be no changes.

On another point rotating tyres is largely considered poor practice as each time you change the direction of rotation you have to reestablish the stress patterns inside the tyre and also scrub off a portion of the surface to rebed it in.

Each to their own preference though
 
pvr said:
My car would look a bit odd with the large tires at the front and the narrow ones at the rear :D

Oh - and rotating would only be front to rear, not left to right as well as that would change the direction and wreck them.

Agree. Not side-to-side.
 
I've rotated front and rears (swapped left and right) on both sets of wheels i have. Seems to wear the tyres evenly and no problems. First set of rears lasted 15k fronts were still fine when I swapped sets.
 
What is the big issue with RFT's?
Are they really that bad?
Today i spun the wheels in second...and in third the traction control light was still flashing...was with a "mildly moist" road from rain a few hours ago but lord knows how bad i'd be with a bigger engine..
Slightly random story there...thought id share.. :)
 
Woots said:
What is the big issue with RFT's?
Are they really that bad?
Today i spun the wheels in second...and in third the traction control light was still flashing...was with a "mildly moist" road from rain a few hours ago but lord knows how bad i'd be with a bigger engine..
Slightly random story there...thought id share.. :)
biggest complaint with them is the ride comfort. The OEM bridgestones - especially on the early pre-facelift cars - are really hard and crashy.

Different brands such as Michelin Run flats are much much better. I believe the suspension was tweaked on the facelift cars to better cope. Your car currently has smaller wheels too and therefore larger sidewalls to act as more of a cushion :D
 
gannet said:
Woots said:
What is the big issue with RFT's?
Are they really that bad?
Today i spun the wheels in second...and in third the traction control light was still flashing...was with a "mildly moist" road from rain a few hours ago but lord knows how bad i'd be with a bigger engine..
Slightly random story there...thought id share.. :)
biggest complaint with them is the ride comfort. The OEM bridgestones - especially on the early pre-facelift cars - are really hard and crashy.

Different brands such as Michelin Run flats are much much better. I believe the suspension was tweaked on the facelift cars to better cope. Your car currently has smaller wheels too and therefore larger sidewalls to act as more of a cushion :D

Oh i see...would that make it more twitchy or is it simply a harder ride with RFT?
I dont really mind having a harder ride i dont think...but maybe if i was older...creaky bones and all.. :P
Just a little dig there..
 
Woots, you're sounding like a man with 'small wheel syndrome'.
When he compares his to the the guys next to him he feels somehow inadequate :) :)
 
Woots said:
I dont really mind having a harder ride i dont think...but maybe if i was older...creaky bones and all.. :P
Just a little dig there..

x2

The only reason I changed the rears to non runflats when they needed replacing was because of the high cost of the runflat and the pain in the ass I had when trying to get a puncture repaired in one :headbang:
 
Woots said:
What is the big issue with RFT's?
Are they really that bad?
Today i spun the wheels in second...and in third the traction control light was still flashing...was with a "mildly moist" road from rain a few hours ago but lord knows how bad i'd be with a bigger engine..
Slightly random story there...thought id share.. :)

I also found traction a big issue with the runflats, best bet is get some 18" rims and a set of Falken 452's :evil:
 
Woots, after literally just changing the fronts of mine to FK452's (Already were on the rear :oops: ) i can safely say that they make an INCREDIBLE difference to both the ride quality and handling of the car. God knows how bad it would have been with all 4 tyres the RE050's. :o

Tramlining 90% gone - Stops the car wondering into ruts and tyre tracks in the roads and pulling you over to the opposite side of the road with white lines :o

Ride comfort is hugely better. The roads in Sheffield are terrible, but these have certainly helped!

The simple thing is that the RE050's are just TOO stiff - you may think like i, that you can handle a stiff car (I had a VX220 on its ass ;) ) but it significantly comromises handling on undulating road surfaces. Needless to say, front end grip on dodgy surfaces, wet or dry is well up :D
 
EdButler said:
Woots, after literally just changing the fronts of mine to FK452's (Already were on the rear :oops: ) i can safely say that they make an INCREDIBLE difference to both the ride quality and handling of the car. God knows how bad it would have been with all 4 tyres the RE050's. :o

Tramlining 90% gone - Stops the car wondering into ruts and tyre tracks in the roads and pulling you over to the opposite side of the road with white lines :o

Ride comfort is hugely better. The roads in Sheffield are terrible, but these have certainly helped!

Needless to say, front end grip on dodgy surfaces, wet or dry is well up :D

all things that Ive noticed with the Michelin runflats though...

:D
 
Hey Woots - you need to take a ride in a few variants back to back to see the difference. Much comment is listed in this thread to to try to pull it together....

iirc you're on 17" rims :poke: facelift, with standard suspension and the the RFT's. To a large extent the slighty better tuned suspension, it being softer standard and taller sidewalls mitigate a lot of the RFT issues.

The biggest complainers are pre facelift, ///M sport suspension on 18's This really compounds the problems with at least 3 factors against ride comfort causing a lot of crashing and banging, the overly stiff sidewall and wider tyres causing tramlining and wandering and handling. The ///M sport is 15mm lower and that takes one more cushion out of the system (assuming standard crap springs) In this case don't mistake harder ride for better as there are too many compromises in the set up.

So when you come to replacement and find that you can get RFT's at about £225 each or a full set of Falknes for around £320, better handling, more comfort, less crashing, etc. then you'll see why we change. Hell that saving would get you some better wheels. :)
 
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