Third Brake Light - Episode 1, The Saga Begins...

Scooba_Steve

Elite
 NW London & Somerset
Rather recently in a County far, far away...

Early this year I thought I'd get a clear third brake light to freshen up the rear - looks tasty on grey and I anticipated it would give me the same warm, fuzzy feeling that the LED number plate lights do, even though I have even less chance of seeing this one in operation...

Soper diligently provide me with a shiny new brake lamp shortly after the 10/03/2015, the date I ordered.
I get myself the weaker springs and washers to prevent the known cracking as recommended in the SIB, despite there having been nothing wrong with my old red lamp, which was happily sold via the forum and which I hope is still going strong.

Then last week, disaster.

Gasp you should. I notice my lovely brake lamp has come away at the OS egde.

"Oh, it must have worked loose on those feeble springs," thought I. "I'll nip it back up in a jiffy, examine for moistness, and all will be well."

But it was not. It had cracked horizontally where the lens meets the body along the top edge.

"Bugger," I exclaimed; a passing elderly lady glancing with derision as I did.

I head inside straight to the telephone as rain starts to fall, the Gods weeping at my misfortune (or perhaps crying with laughter).

I ask Soper what must I do to get the fuzzy feeling back in my life and they very competently furnish me with the knowledge that I can have my part replaced under warranty. Hooray. Even better, I can take it to any dealer who will wave their magical warranty wand and install a shiny new lamp. I was so happy I could have hugged them.

Fast forward to this Monday when I call Westerly Exeter. They was very helpful when I explained my woe, though I neglected to mention the fuzzy feeling as I didn't think they would be able to find a part number for it on their system. They took some personal details and said to bring it in at (the somewhat inconvenient time of) 1600 on Wednesday when they will examine the pesky thing and replace it, they will even order a new lamp in ready to fit.

"Top banana," I thought.

1530, Wednesday:

I slip out of work early, with flagrant disregard for the flexitime core hours that only end at 1600, for I am on a mission that no mortal can delay.
That was until I got stuck in a load of traffic trying to get over the river. Bugger again.
With all haste I made it to Westerly with entire minutes to spare, they printed lots of bits of paper, asked me to sign something then led me to the grown-ups play area furnished with WiFi, coffee, biscuits and shiny new motor car books.

"This makes up for the small inconvenience I've suffered," I smirked.

"One quick question, sir," comes a voice from over my shoulder. "If we don't find a defect, would you like us to replace your lamp anyway?"

"I most certainly would not," said my brain. My polite mouth disagreed and enquired, "Well, that depends on how much you'd charge."

£ 92 and something was the response; I can't quite remember the exact amount because my wallet tried to escape at the same moment and I was forced to restrain it.

"No, I don't think I could justify that," was my retort.

"Well I could probably discount the labour a little as it's an older model."

"Not to nothing," chipped in my brain.

"I can get it down to £ 20," the service man smiled.

"That's still at least a pound a minute and I can do it myself in 15. No thank you," I replied.

About 10 minutes later came the bad news, "The technician has assessed that it is not a manufacturing defect."

Half of me was happy that David Blunkett had clearly found ongoing employment in the current job market.

I asked if they were able to access the SIBs so that I could show it was a common fault. Coincidentally, they couldn't.
So I took some notes and headed home.

Next stop, BMW Customer Service.

Ring ring. A chap called Luke introduces himself to me. I explain my problem. He seems to think the issue might be that I can only take up the warranty claim with Soper. I disagree. He goes off to confer with his colleagues.
They furnish him with the idea that there isn't even a warranty and if Soper have said there is then I should go and hassle them about it.
Even when I read the business terms on the back of the invoice to him, word for word and slowly, he still denies that a warranty exists.

BMW allegedly said:
21. We will sell the Goods with the benefit of the manufacturer’s warranty. The manufacturer’s warranty is additional to your statutory rights, and is not affected by any change of ownership of the Goods. Remedial work under the manufacturer’s warranty may be carried out by any dealer in the EEA authorised directly or indirectly by the manufacturer, who may repair or replace any defective Goods or (if he considers repair or replacement uneconomic) refund an appropriate part of the price you paid for them.

Luke said he would contact both Dealers and get back to me within 24 hours. I don't have much faith in his problem resolution strategy.
 
Good luck getting that replaced. It's a well known defect caused by putting a crappy brittle part in the tailgate. Never ever had this problem with any other vehicle i've owned.

I'm on my 4th brake light now, cracked again! 2 have been new, 1 was already on the car and 1 was a cheap one off here. Over 100 quid wasted on some poundland special part.
 
I had similar, bought bought at local dealer and they were happy to swap. I just took the broken one back and the ordered a new one for the next day.

Mine failed along the top edge, not the usual vertical crack. and was only 2-3 months old.
 
I'm living with my cracked brake light as I'm scared of replacing it, only for it to happen again. It doesn't leak (that I know of) and a red light shines forth when I depress the large pedal, so I'll resist the urge to 'fix' it at least for now...
Oh, and I usually put a small chain on my wallet and connect it to my pants when going to a BMW dealer so that it can't do a runner when I get any quotes. Lately I've been asking the salesperson if they have one of those AED's (emergency defibrillators) before they tell me the price, just to be prepared... :o
 
Hope you get it sorted. When mine cracked i couldn't be bothered to do it myself - paid 92 smackers to our local dealer who happens to be on!y 2 miles away - enjoyed a complimentary coffee while it was being done and went off happy in the knowledge that if it cracked again they would rep!ace it foc- it,s nearly 2years since and is still okay.
 
That was indeed an amusing write up. I don't want to further effect your fuzzy feeling but my last Zed went through 3 of them in 5 years, the latter two having the correct springs and torque :/
 
Ridiculous isn't it - the parts are junk when it comes to consistent quality. I am certainly not paying for a new one or to have it fitted on principle. There is a 2 year warranty and I expect BMW to honour it; at this rate I can see someone being sued and it sadly may well be Soper as the retailer.
 
Scooba_Steve said:
Ridiculous isn't it - the parts are junk when it comes to consistent quality. I am certainly not paying for a new one or to have it fitted on principle. There is a 2 year warranty and I expect BMW to honour it; at this rate I can see someone being sued and it sadly may well be Soper as the retailer.


I'm sure if your struggling with your local stealer Sopers will Dort you out.
 
Em, genuine BMW part? Comes with 2 year warranty don't they? BMW recalled the E88's for such a problem. I never took them up on recall because the car was off the road but when the invetable happened BMW fixed for free (car was still under warranty) but clearly on a few cars, the brakes lights are an issue
 
Sorry for your troubles but as said an entertaining read.

They know its a common fault I am guessing that's why the later third brake lights have a thicker rubber seal around the edge to add more cushioning
 
Update:

BMW are still trying their best to wriggle out of this.

Lots of promises that I would be called back never materialised and when I was told the file notes said a replacement would be sent out I thought there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. Sadly not - I chased BMW to see what was going on, the upshot is they spoke to Westerly who performed the inspection on the lamp. They tell me that the reason they declined to replace under warranty (I'm going to infer from that a warranty does exist) was due to the lamp being fitted incorrectly.

Three nuts and a connector... so how do they figure that could be fitted wrong?

I've asked for more detail and not had a reply - so would anyone here like to suggest possible errors in fitting?

The only plausible reason I can see them suggesting is that the nuts were too tight. I am happy to argue that regardless of our own experience, if there is a stop on the thread then you tighten to that stop. This would also be a logical reason for the SIB suggesting weaker springs.

I'm going to hope that they dig themselves a hole and suggest that the wrong springs were used with washers as the reason. Ta-da I produce the SIB that shows them being used and their manner of fitting.

As BMW seem to want to use 'incorrectly fitted' as an excuse I am now tempted to pay for a replacement and fitting from Westerly then sue BMW for the costs. I have never pursued a manufacturer for faulty goods (under warranty) only ever a retailer; I don't really want to chase Soper as I have a good relationship with them, it's not their part and they probably wouldn't recover the costs from BMW.

Has anybody done this before and if so what was the outcome?
 
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