Thinking of selling Z4M coupe after nearly 9 years - possible move to 911 997 GTS

nickw6666 said:
dalecan said:
Nick,
I was in this position a couple of weeks ago when my Z4MC sold within 2 hours of the advertisement (I'd owned her for 5 years). As soon as she sold I though, "Oh no, what have I done.'

All of that anguish was immediately forgotten when I collect my 2012 V8VS! The drive home from Saratoga CA to Seattle was an immediate love affair. I miss the MC, but the new purchase is not regretted one bit.

You only live once!
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Great pics of your before and after. The Z4M looks gorgeous but I can see why the AM V8S replaced it etc. Lovely looking car. Sometimes you just have to go for it! :cry:
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Why not just use a bit of initiative - sell your M privately but with a condition - that being that if you don't like or want to keep the Porsche after X period of time (a year, 18 months, say?) then you have a contractual agreement with your buyer that you can buy it back from them. Obviously they won't just agree to that - so say you'll pay £500 more than you sold it for or something and limit the time period during which the condition applies. After the period ends, if you haven't bought it, it's because the Porsche is the right car for you. And the buyer is not allowed to sell to anyone else unless he's offered it to you first and you've declined, having matched the agreed price (and no funny business from him arranging for a mate to agree to buy at £30k or other daft price). Simples. You could imagine up all sorts of parameters if you really want, based on mileage, condition, any mods etc etc but the principle is fairly simple, you just need a buyer who is prepared to accept that kind of deal and everyone has their price.
Stevo
 
I've just done this swap.. From my z4m to a Porsche 997.1 turbo...
Love it, great fun, easy driving and a good looker.
But I keep thinking about the z. I miss there raw quality of the BMW.
 
Barrow said:
I've just done this swap.. From my z4m to a Porsche 997.1 turbo...
Love it, great fun, easy driving and a good looker.
But I keep thinking about the z. I miss there raw quality of the BMW.
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Just spent some time driving a 997.1 at moderate speeds and I agree, it is very easy to drive. The scuttle is very low, it feels like a small car, and the manual box is very light in comparison to the Z4M. It was almost dull! The cabin (with full leather) is also a lot more luxurious, although the centre console fascia, with all the little buttons, has aged terribly.

As a passenger in the same car, on some high speed but imperfect roads, you get the impression that the Porsche is leagues ahead. Unbelievable brakes, composure and road holding, and the sports exhaust sounds mental at full chat.
 
I felt exactly the same when I test drove a BMW M4 last year.

The M4 is great fun, louder, faster, more dramatic...but then I got back in my Imola Red Z4M Coupe and got exactly that "Hang on a minute!" feeling.

I also would love a 911, but a normal S doesn't even make me blink. The GTS sounds interesting and if you can run both for a period of time that would be the way to go so you could decide later without any regrets.
 
Some great points again. I think keeping the Z4M would be easier than trying to organise a buy back, as most people wouldn't entertain that anyway. This key here is I do have enough funds to cover keeping both.

The GTS is a great car but I do wonder about the economics of running it everyday, as they are probably quite mileage sensitive compared to the standard 911's in terms of resale. I did see a similar age and spec C2S for £15k cheaper so the GTS are commanding a premium but lots of miles as a daily commuter might not be a great idea.

As for the driving experience, if I were to use the GTS as a second car I'm starting to think I would prefer the engagement of the manual gearbox version rather than PDK, especially if the car replaces my Z4M.

All in all I'm thinking of hanging onto the Z4M for now.

Interesting about the Gen 1 997 drive. I drove a manual not long ago and thought it great as well but not as raw as the Z4M so I think there is truth in the possibility of keeping the Z4M as a weekend drive and maybe a standard 911 for everyday to replace my current 335iSE daily driver, which is great but a bit boring at times.
 
997 turbo is lovely , the interior is looking so so old and dated... the z4ms with certina trims looks so much better ( worse quality however lol) but i think the z4m will always look pretty timeless inside as its very basic..... the ergonomics on the z4 is bang on imo, no clutter, awesome steering wheel, and compact.

Now.... personally i think some well chosen upgrades on the z4m is the way to go... the s54 is just something we wont be seeing again unless its in a car we cant afford, tweak the brakes, and suspension, add a carbon airbox , and enjoy one of the best kept secrets in the past decade. The z4 platform is just so good... i love this car. never selling. EVER.
 
Some upgrades - the E83 X3 Radio button, the M2/ZHP gearstick, new steering wheel, new carpets - it could've been released today!

Watched a Porc 911R review yesterday, and it struck me the Z4M Coupe is a similar car. Basic, analogue, beautiful. :)
 
Argenta said:
Some upgrades - the E83 X3 Radio button, the M2/ZHP gearstick, new steering wheel, new carpets - it could've been released today!

Watched a Porc 911R review yesterday, and it struck me the Z4M Coupe is a similar car. Basic, analogue, beautiful. :)
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Yes, S54 is such a great engine, even compared to Porsche flat 6 engines. 6-times International Engine of the Year Award, an awesome engine.

I agree with the analogue aspect of the car. Porsche has identified this as well with the Cayman GT4 and 911R being manual and the M2 having the manual gearbox option.

But combined with the S54 NA engine it's a legend really and just surprising its such a well kept secret. Too many reviews when new that said the Cayman S was a smoother, 'better' car, which is probably true for most people certainly as a daily driver but for the smaller group of real enthusiasts it's the character that wins and the whole experience being more than the sum of it's parts.

I'm thinking I will keep the Z4M now and do some minor mods on brakes such as braided hoses and upgraded fluid and pads.

The 911 I could go for as a daily driver and for that I would drop from the GTS to a C2S as the mileage I'm doing is quite high.
 
I'll be honest not read any replies yet as doing paperwork and shouldn't be on;)
Me, keep the car you obviously love
HP the 911 keep it for a year and hand it back:)
Best of both worlds
 
The 911 gts is still stunning car, it's miles better than the Z4M
If money isn't the problem, buy it
If it is, keep the z4m and enjoy something which is superb value and the last of the classic BMW's
 
This has been my dimemma for the last 12 months. I have a choice between paying off my mortgage and keeping the M Or buying a GT4.

I was probably set on letting the M go a couple of weeks ago but after taking her for an oil service last week, there is no way I can let her go. I had a 15 mile drive back home in cold / icy conditions but she is such a hoot. I have a feeling that this will be the car I will always look back on as being the best value for the money.

GT4 prices may still be on the decline slightly but I doubt they will go backwards for long. Still, at over £80K, how much more fun could it be on UK roads? I have even looked at a Cayman GTS, 997 GTS or even a C2S manual but you are still talking 3 times the price.

H.
 
With the low miles you have on the Z4M it could probably appreciate in value by keeping it in the garage, take it out for a run now and then :driving: :driving:
 
I bought a cayenne diesel for day to day and kept the z'd to have some fun. The z'd won't lose money so keep it ... putting loads of miles on a new 911 might not be the best of ideas though
 
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