thinking about moving on?? not sure?? arhh help?
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PawnSacrifice said:It's odd, but I've seen this a few times with friends... own a car for a while, make a few changes and then 6-9 months of big mods followed by a for sale sign.
Time to sell I think, job well done. Next.
Appreciate the skills, but not a fan of the GTR for a few reasons, but putting that aside I would buy something else if I were you, for the simple fact that you've done it before and how long before you want a change again.
Nice predicament though
arhhh not to sure its the same situation but i kinda see what your saying,,,,, but remember this is a car ive had from when it was born in 2007, were talking near 3.5 years on here... and a year on from the s/c install, im just getting wary about the final amount i'll be spending on this vehicle after another 3 years, hell if i had another garage id keep it but i dont and i HATE leaving them in my moms garage as she really doesnt give a flying turd about them.
So ive got 2 options, continue on my current line of mods and head all the way, im talking seats, stage 2 blower, and literally pass it down to my son when i croak it, or just move on.
Re the 360, yes beautiful car but damn after the blown ///M it'll feel slow.... my heart is saying just finish what ive started as i cant get a better base than a car ive owned from new, but my head is saying by the time youve finised you could have brought a 430 ferrari, lol!!
byron
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ive already had a firm, serious offer in the very late 20's, you can trade cars like mine, the trade doesnt recognise mods and time, effort. Realistically i couldnt expect them too either, i can say sadly, on the current line of bmw though, this will be the last ///M car i own.
Agree with all that's been said, if you're in a position to get this car then go for it. Haven't driven one but have heard its insanely quick, i recon you'd need close to 600 horses to get the Z any close to that performance.
I guess if you feel you've out grown what the Z can offer then it's time to change. Personally i'd go for the GT3 as it seems the logical upward step from where my car is at the mo.
BTW i know you wouldn't but if ever you were to take the car back to stock there's be a queue of vultures lining up for your parts
I guess if you feel you've out grown what the Z can offer then it's time to change. Personally i'd go for the GT3 as it seems the logical upward step from where my car is at the mo.
BTW i know you wouldn't but if ever you were to take the car back to stock there's be a queue of vultures lining up for your parts
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GTR is a very different car, they are mind bogglingly quick (my boss has one) but very hard to compare to the M, and even harder to compare to your rather special M.
The M is an exercise in removing the interference between car and driver, the GTR is an engineering marvel based on putting as much technology as possible in between. You could not get 2 more different design briefs.
If i wanted a GTR, i wouldn't be happy unless i had both
I can also think of other things i'd rather have witrh £45k though.... for thrill seeking I would be thinking Ultimas, Cobra reps, Atoms, etc
The M is an exercise in removing the interference between car and driver, the GTR is an engineering marvel based on putting as much technology as possible in between. You could not get 2 more different design briefs.
If i wanted a GTR, i wouldn't be happy unless i had both
I can also think of other things i'd rather have witrh £45k though.... for thrill seeking I would be thinking Ultimas, Cobra reps, Atoms, etc
flatout said:Agree with all that's been said, if you're in a position to get this car then go for it. Haven't driven one but have heard its insanely quick, i recon you'd need close to 600 horses to get the Z any close to that performance.
I guess if you feel you've out grown what the Z can offer then it's time to change. Personally i'd go for the GT3 as it seems the logical upward step from where my car is at the mo.
BTW i know you wouldn't but if ever you were to take the car back to stock there's be a queue of vultures lining up for your parts
yeah i no i could make a killing on the parts but... the car will stay the Whole......
My vt1 z4m can live with an my10 GTR, JUST..... and i mean JUST, the my11 GTR with 530bhp, i will be roughed up pretty bad, the power deficit and also the Dual clutch, but with 500-510bhp in this small package, with this relative low weight.... man ill be snapping right it its heals.........
Vt2 is only about 1500-1800GBP for me, i only need the upgrade parts now as vt1 contains 90% of the parts...... The extra boost brings big torgue increases in realtion to the vt1.
Flatout the 1m is OK, but again ive laready built a car far better imo, well i guess im going to sleep on it and really think hard...... VT2 and my precious baby are looking like the way forward.......
Maybe in a few years i can move house get a double garage then get look at something else then.
I do love the idea of a GT3, but i swear if ANY one of you guys experienced the s54 with boost, i swear to go himself you'd be amazed, power, torque and instant N/A like throttle repsonse.
flatout, where are you going with this modding thing with the z4m??? Are you like me and in too deep to move on now?
You see this on forums all over mate. I couldn't understand why people would mod a car, and then once finished, move on.
However....my previous car, as I've said before, was a TT 225. I owned it for 4 years, and although your M is worth alot more I think the principle is the same. I bought the TT for 13000, but then spent 10k on mods. I sold it for 7500 and sold some of the mods for anothere 3k. So I lost around 13k. I was bored once I had finished looking for 'bits' to buy. :wink:
Funny thing is I don't look back, and I thought I would. I've made a personal vow not to commit the same financial suicide a second time, but not sure how that is going to pan out.
My advice would be to go with your heart. You only live once so have whatever makes you happy.
However....my previous car, as I've said before, was a TT 225. I owned it for 4 years, and although your M is worth alot more I think the principle is the same. I bought the TT for 13000, but then spent 10k on mods. I sold it for 7500 and sold some of the mods for anothere 3k. So I lost around 13k. I was bored once I had finished looking for 'bits' to buy. :wink:
Funny thing is I don't look back, and I thought I would. I've made a personal vow not to commit the same financial suicide a second time, but not sure how that is going to pan out.
My advice would be to go with your heart. You only live once so have whatever makes you happy.
ok..... im going to try again and Shoot for the MY11 GTR..... but im going to keep the z4m, i want to pass it down to my son.
What im going to do is wait afew months and pick up a demo 2011 GTR with around 5-6k miles, hopefully someway off list......
On the other note ive just this second sent the funds for the vt2-500 kit
You only live once and with the stress of my job, im a long time dead so F it.
Cars at simpsons next month for a service so its great to tack on the vt2 install.
cheers for the advice guys!!
i really had a cracking offer for the z4m s/c............ but its not worth it.
byron.
What im going to do is wait afew months and pick up a demo 2011 GTR with around 5-6k miles, hopefully someway off list......
On the other note ive just this second sent the funds for the vt2-500 kit
You only live once and with the stress of my job, im a long time dead so F it.
Cars at simpsons next month for a service so its great to tack on the vt2 install.
cheers for the advice guys!!
i really had a cracking offer for the z4m s/c............ but its not worth it.
byron.
Hello Beedub.
Well you sure have the most extreme Z4M in the forum, and I for one really appreciate your input to the forum (as a neewbie) to simple answers I've so far asked. So, you and your Z would be sorely missed.
I can only give you my 2 centimes' worth as I've driven the GTR (Skyline R34 and 35) a fair bit:
My run with the 09 GTR was 20 laps and a great finale after a F430 (manual, ceramic brakes) and an 08 Lambo Gallardo. I did by far my best lap times in it (rememeber that I'm just a bigginer at track days). Though the Lambo was pants - yeah sure fast, loud and impressive, but not communicative and crap e-gear. The Ferrari was buit like a Fiat, but where it matters most (engine, brakes, gear box), its next to godlyness! (slowest lap times). Never been in a car that actually sinks into the tarmac as opposed to just get on its toes when hard on the brakes.
The GTR was unbeleavably fast, smooth gear changes, relentless power, communicative steering, agile. BUT, and this is a big one: The mass, the inertia. Its a mamouth... I rekon you'd get bored fairly fast. People don't seem to keep them long for that reason.
Last weekend a friend made me try his pure track focused GT3RS (997). Its just like the Ferrari, only way, way more communicative. Even a numpty like me managed to thrash my lap times from the Z, heel and tow quite a few times, gently get the back out entering in the corner to better steer in and get on the power early. He told me I was driving the car at 6th tenths of its potential.
A lot of these super serious track/ semi pro race guys say it. After an M, there's only one thing fot it. get a a GT3RS (any if them) and you'll learn driving all over again. IF that's your trip.
If however, its just about power, then the GTR pumps out well over 500 bohp as standard.
HOw about applying you tuning talents to an E90 M3 (could do with a diet) and that V8 is a peach!
Well you sure have the most extreme Z4M in the forum, and I for one really appreciate your input to the forum (as a neewbie) to simple answers I've so far asked. So, you and your Z would be sorely missed.
I can only give you my 2 centimes' worth as I've driven the GTR (Skyline R34 and 35) a fair bit:
My run with the 09 GTR was 20 laps and a great finale after a F430 (manual, ceramic brakes) and an 08 Lambo Gallardo. I did by far my best lap times in it (rememeber that I'm just a bigginer at track days). Though the Lambo was pants - yeah sure fast, loud and impressive, but not communicative and crap e-gear. The Ferrari was buit like a Fiat, but where it matters most (engine, brakes, gear box), its next to godlyness! (slowest lap times). Never been in a car that actually sinks into the tarmac as opposed to just get on its toes when hard on the brakes.
The GTR was unbeleavably fast, smooth gear changes, relentless power, communicative steering, agile. BUT, and this is a big one: The mass, the inertia. Its a mamouth... I rekon you'd get bored fairly fast. People don't seem to keep them long for that reason.
Last weekend a friend made me try his pure track focused GT3RS (997). Its just like the Ferrari, only way, way more communicative. Even a numpty like me managed to thrash my lap times from the Z, heel and tow quite a few times, gently get the back out entering in the corner to better steer in and get on the power early. He told me I was driving the car at 6th tenths of its potential.
A lot of these super serious track/ semi pro race guys say it. After an M, there's only one thing fot it. get a a GT3RS (any if them) and you'll learn driving all over again. IF that's your trip.
If however, its just about power, then the GTR pumps out well over 500 bohp as standard.
HOw about applying you tuning talents to an E90 M3 (could do with a diet) and that V8 is a peach!
Why dont you go for the less is more approach and by that I mean rather than buy something that weighs two tons and has 600BHP get something that weighs 500KG and has 250BHP. You dont appear to use your car much so I assume you either have a second car or commute/wfh using other means.
The car in question is something like this http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/showroom/superlightr400.html. A power to weight ration far in excess of the Z4 or the GTR and a complete balls out driving experience that is almost certainly better suited to hill climbs/sprints than the wide arse GTR will ever be and you have change to buy a disco and a brian james to tow it about in if you wanted.
Dont get me wrong I think the GTR is a very accomplished car and at £50K it was the bargain of the century. However at £70+K it puts it in the mix with some serious metal. Stuttgart for example has two possibly three offerings to suit all tastes. The 997 MK1 Turbo or MKII GT3/MK1 GT3 RS are available for this money or if you could stretch another £10K then 997 MK1 GT2 could be had. Sure they are all used but they are the benchmark again which every car in this class is set and for good reason.
Whichever choice you make it's an envious one and I wish you good luck with your search.
P
The car in question is something like this http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/showroom/superlightr400.html. A power to weight ration far in excess of the Z4 or the GTR and a complete balls out driving experience that is almost certainly better suited to hill climbs/sprints than the wide arse GTR will ever be and you have change to buy a disco and a brian james to tow it about in if you wanted.
Dont get me wrong I think the GTR is a very accomplished car and at £50K it was the bargain of the century. However at £70+K it puts it in the mix with some serious metal. Stuttgart for example has two possibly three offerings to suit all tastes. The 997 MK1 Turbo or MKII GT3/MK1 GT3 RS are available for this money or if you could stretch another £10K then 997 MK1 GT2 could be had. Sure they are all used but they are the benchmark again which every car in this class is set and for good reason.
Whichever choice you make it's an envious one and I wish you good luck with your search.
P
wow im Reallly interested to here everyones different opinions, very very interesting....
i can see when the time is ready to move on.... alot of you guys are going to have the same problem? where do you move to after this....
Halo... awesome repsonse and i value your history in driving these vehicles.........
i'll definatly look into GT3s, i never driven one but every review says they are godly!!
Moon
i agree with the weight thing....... definatly unfortunatly lots of cars getting porkie now, the evora supercharged i drove the other day was 1450kg.... i was shocked!!
byron
Anyhow the decision is made....... VT2-500 is ordered with a larger fmic, and oil cooler, my american hommie made 512bhp on his with 100 octane, those APs are going to probably struggle....
i must stay strong and stay away from new cars, i vowed to never buy new again!!
coming up...
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500bhp in the z4m is going to be insane.
i can see when the time is ready to move on.... alot of you guys are going to have the same problem? where do you move to after this....
Halo... awesome repsonse and i value your history in driving these vehicles.........
i'll definatly look into GT3s, i never driven one but every review says they are godly!!
Moon
i agree with the weight thing....... definatly unfortunatly lots of cars getting porkie now, the evora supercharged i drove the other day was 1450kg.... i was shocked!!
byron
Anyhow the decision is made....... VT2-500 is ordered with a larger fmic, and oil cooler, my american hommie made 512bhp on his with 100 octane, those APs are going to probably struggle....
i must stay strong and stay away from new cars, i vowed to never buy new again!!
coming up...
vt-500
Racaro PPs
Nitron coilovers
Hardtop _ Dooing something Realy cool with this
500bhp in the z4m is going to be insane.
Beedub said:Anyhow the decision is made....... VT2-500 is ordered with a larger fmic, and oil cooler, my american hommie made 512bhp on his with 100 octane, those APs are going to probably struggle....
i must stay strong and stay away from new cars, i vowed to never buy new again!!
coming up...
vt-500
Racaro PPs
Nitron coilovers
Hardtop _ Dooing something Realy cool with this
500bhp in the z4m is going to be insane.
HAHAHA! You're a star mate! Hope you post more videos this time!
Beedub said:Anyhow the decision is made....... VT2-500 is ordered with a larger fmic, and oil cooler, my american hommie made 512bhp on his with 100 octane, those APs are going to probably struggle....
i must stay strong and stay away from new cars, i vowed to never buy new again!!
coming up...
vt-500
Racaro PPs
Nitron coilovers
Hardtop _ Dooing something Realy cool with this
500bhp in the z4m is going to be insane.
Strange decision but its your money. Have you had chance to exploit all the power in your current setup, unless you have been on some power circuits then I guess not. Are you not in real danger of overwhelming the chassis and producing something that is only drivable in a straight line and at the same time turning the "Ultimate Driving Machine" into something altogether different.
P
It's clear that you have one of best Zeds on the planet. Or you could have spent 70K on a GTR that would be the same as every other GTR. Which means another 20-30K to make it unique. I personally think you made the right decision to stick with the Zed. You should start a collage fund for your kid with the money you just didn't spend.
Your post also got me to thinking about all the motorized toys that I have owned over the years. And was it worth all the money that left my bank account. Yes, But with one caveat. I could have been just as happy without the shear number of toys over the years. Not to mention, A lot better off financially.
I could have bought a home (or two) for all the money I spent on toys. I also made a promise to never buy new again. A one or two year old lease return or low mileage trade is the way to go. Let someone else deal with the depreciation.
I always had the problem of never being able to afford all the types of bikes (or cars) that I wanted at one time. So I would jump from dirt, road race, touring, sport touring, supermotard. Then start all over again. The grass always looked greener on the other side of the fence. I've owned 38 bikes since 1982. And a 1969 corvette roadster, 1969 mustang 302 ragtop, 1973 911 targa, 1957 356 speedster replicar, 1994 Ducati 888 SPO-LTD Superbike #9/100 But in all I've been satisfied the most with my Zed and the wife's 328. They are great cars, But mostly it is due to a change of attitude. I.E. I bought them to make me & my wife happy, Rather than seeking approval from others. Or buying what is cool or fastest at that moment in time. Which is exactly what I was doing. Even though I never realized it at the time.
Cheers
Jerry
Your post also got me to thinking about all the motorized toys that I have owned over the years. And was it worth all the money that left my bank account. Yes, But with one caveat. I could have been just as happy without the shear number of toys over the years. Not to mention, A lot better off financially.
I could have bought a home (or two) for all the money I spent on toys. I also made a promise to never buy new again. A one or two year old lease return or low mileage trade is the way to go. Let someone else deal with the depreciation.
I always had the problem of never being able to afford all the types of bikes (or cars) that I wanted at one time. So I would jump from dirt, road race, touring, sport touring, supermotard. Then start all over again. The grass always looked greener on the other side of the fence. I've owned 38 bikes since 1982. And a 1969 corvette roadster, 1969 mustang 302 ragtop, 1973 911 targa, 1957 356 speedster replicar, 1994 Ducati 888 SPO-LTD Superbike #9/100 But in all I've been satisfied the most with my Zed and the wife's 328. They are great cars, But mostly it is due to a change of attitude. I.E. I bought them to make me & my wife happy, Rather than seeking approval from others. Or buying what is cool or fastest at that moment in time. Which is exactly what I was doing. Even though I never realized it at the time.
Cheers
Jerry
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