The Sytner Shed has re-appeared

[mad4slalom]

lively debate over this one,a car that could be described as a lemon is a car that a dealer such as synter would normally pass on within the trade rather than risk their reputation by having it on their forecourt. so maybe a bit ott describing it as such. service history gives people peace of mind but does not mean the car is better maintained than one without. my m and many other owners cars on here benefit from interim oil and filter changes carried out for peace of mind and the pleasur of fettling our pride and joys .an owner with a degree of mechanical knowledge will most of the time do a much better job than a technician racing against the clock and his foreman and with the "its just another car" mentality. mine goes to a specialist indi m specialist , paddock motors in exeter for history services and repairs such as myrecent diff flange seal, but other fun jobs such as cdv delete, gearbox redline mtf change, plugs etc, i enjoy doing myself. a car that may have full service historystamped by main dealer , will be less well looked after and cosseted than mine i am sure, just look at the service schedules most of the items start with check, so are just looked at , there is very little or no old fashioned preventive maintainence carried out by garages these days, they just wait till some thing breaks then replace it. you would think that ins2 would involve stripping brakes and cleaning and greasing caliper pins etc but it doesnt., they will offer to sell you new brakes at the earliest opportunity tho because yours are below bmw min thickness, when they really have thousands and thousands of miles left in them , becausev they are quick and easy to do and are a high profit job,.so personally i would suggest you read between the lines where service history is concernrd, speak to the previous owner to judge for yourself how something has been looked after.

 

[Fast3000]

Wow I just walked i to a good old debate. For what its worth BMW AUC is only given to cars with Full BMW (apologies if already stated).

 

[aquazi]

Wow I just walked i to a good old debate. For what its worth BMW AUC is only given to cars with Full BMW (apologies if already stated).

Thats strictly not correct... I have known examples sold where there service interval has been over 3 years.

But for what it is worth i think Nina did the right thing its a forum after all.


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[Ewazix]

I think the intention was right but the terminology was OTT, a cautionary warning about factual issues is great, but 'shed' and 'lemon' should be reserved for fatally flawed examples with no redeeming features. I wonder if the seller should be given an opportunity to respond given how prejudicial the comments are?

 

[mad4slalom]

theres only one way to find out ! ...................

 

[bjd]

Wow I just walked i to a good old debate. For what its worth BMW AUC is only given to cars with Full BMW (apologies if already stated).

Thats strictly not correct... I have known examples sold where there service interval has been over 3 years.

But for what it is worth i think Nina did the right thing its a forum after all.


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This is the point, you could be sold a AUC lemon/shed by a dealer Sure, you might have more comeback than if you bought privately but the caveat, buyer beware still applies.

 

[bjd]

lively debate over this one,a car that could be described as a lemon is a car that a dealer such as synter would normally pass on within the trade rather than risk their reputation by having it on their forecourt. so maybe a bit ott describing it as such. service history gives people peace of mind but does not mean the car is better maintained than one without. my m and many other owners cars on here benefit from interim oil and filter changes carried out for peace of mind and the pleasur of fettling our pride and joys .an owner with a degree of mechanical knowledge will most of the time do a much better job than a technician racing against the clock and his foreman and with the "its just another car" mentality. mine goes to a specialist indi m specialist , paddock motors in exeter for history services and repairs such as myrecent diff flange seal, but other fun jobs such as cdv delete, gearbox redline mtf change, plugs etc, i enjoy doing myself. a car that may have full service historystamped by main dealer , will be less well looked after and cosseted than mine i am sure, just look at the service schedules most of the items start with check, so are just looked at , there is very little or no old fashioned preventive maintainence carried out by garages these days, they just wait till some thing breaks then replace it. you would think that ins2 would involve stripping brakes and cleaning and greasing caliper pins etc but it doesnt., they will offer to sell you new brakes at the earliest opportunity tho because yours are below bmw min thickness, when they really have thousands and thousands of miles left in them , becausev they are quick and easy to do and are a high profit job,.so personally i would suggest you read between the lines where service history is concernrd, speak to the previous owner to judge for yourself how something has been looked after.

Well yeah, thats the issue. You either go to an indy and know it's a good job or just do the 'tick box' exercise of going to the dealer and getting their stamp. I know what I would prefer but in terms of goodwill from BMW and extended warranties you don't have a choice

 

[RickRob]

Nina!

 

[mad4slalom]

I think the I plication is that it has been poorly maintained. This could be the case, at least when it was last seen or driven. But who's to say it's issues haven't been solved ? There is sometimes a certain institional arrogance displayed on here that completely dismisses any car that doesn't have a perfect service history, low mileage or completely immaculate paintwork as a bad car. Which is not necessarily true, or commensurate with the average joe's level of expectation or tolerance. Not every problem will cost £000s to rectify. I think labelling it a 'shed' is what has gotten people's backs up.... Now, the accident damaged and completely inaccurately described coupé bargain of the century being talked about last week - that's a shed.

This is just a car to be wary of, with some issues to look out for - Ninas intent is not to be doubted though, I don't think there's anything malicious about her assessment at all.

the issue for me is not the intent, i just think nina should have considered the implications for the seller of her comments a bit more prior to posting

 

[Kar]

A little unfair....it's good to talk...but sometimes we should keep opinions to ourselves...have u thought about changing ur job...maybe food critique Lol

 

[markeg]

Remember when I was searching for my MC I test drove a lemon at Sytners in Solihull?

warning to anyone looking for a Z, this may have great spec but the service history is very off and the car drive horrendously when I looked at it, albeit a year ago. The front end was peppered with stone chips from wing to wing too... So, keep a weather eye out if considering...

Don't see an issue with either of these comments TBH?

 

[CornishRob]

lively debate over this one,a car that could be described as a lemon is a car that a dealer such as synter would normally pass on within the trade rather than risk their reputation by having it on their forecourt. so maybe a bit ott describing it as such. service history gives people peace of mind but does not mean the car is better maintained than one without. my m and many other owners cars on here benefit from interim oil and filter changes carried out for peace of mind and the pleasur of fettling our pride and joys .an owner with a degree of mechanical knowledge will most of the time do a much better job than a technician racing against the clock and his foreman and with the "its just another car" mentality. mine goes to a specialist indi m specialist , paddock motors in exeter for history services and repairs such as myrecent diff flange seal, but other fun jobs such as cdv delete, gearbox redline mtf change, plugs etc, i enjoy doing myself. a car that may have full service historystamped by main dealer , will be less well looked after and cosseted than mine i am sure, just look at the service schedules most of the items start with check, so are just looked at , there is very little or no old fashioned preventive maintainence carried out by garages these days, they just wait till some thing breaks then replace it. you would think that ins2 would involve stripping brakes and cleaning and greasing caliper pins etc but it doesnt., they will offer to sell you new brakes at the earliest opportunity tho because yours are below bmw min thickness, when they really have thousands and thousands of miles left in them , becausev they are quick and easy to do and are a high profit job,.so personally i would suggest you read between the lines where service history is concernrd, speak to the previous owner to judge for yourself how something has been looked after.

Well yeah, thats the issue. You either go to an indy and know it's a good job or just do the 'tick box' exercise of going to the dealer and getting their stamp. I know what I would prefer but in terms of goodwill from BMW and extended warranties you don't have a choice

You can still have a BMW warranty and get serviced by a Indy.

I agree, I don't trust BMW Dealers at all. I go reputable Indy now

 

[jimmybell]

I think Nina's motives were well-intentioned and not malicious but perhaps the tone of the original post (and indeed its title) have not done her any favours.

Perhaps it would've been better for her to preface her remarks along the lines of "you might want to be careful of this car because in my opinion, based on a previous test-drive I found it to be..............blah blah blah".

The current owner may have ironed out all of the problems and I think he/she deserves a fair crack of the whip.

+1 - i think the tone of the original post probably caused a bit of upset (not that it was aggressive, just maybe not fully sensitive .. if it was a forum owner selling the car, you'd maybe not of written it in the same way).

The fact is, with this 'lemon' - if the buyer spotted the year old problems, made Sytner do a full service and fix the issues - and has driven it for a year - it's in no worse or better condition than any other forum car, aside from a bit of service history missing some information - which may or may not be a problem. It's often hard to judge the condition on advert/test drive alone.

One thing to remember - if someone goes as far as reads this forum to check z4 history, they're going to see Nina's original thread too - and know the cars history anyway - so this thread is largely irrelevant.

 

[simonlpearce]

Being in the market for an MC i find these kind of reviews very helpful. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone posting their opinion online as that's entirely what it is, just an opinion. Its up to the individual if they want to listen to it or not.

Surely anyone about to chuck £15k on a car would be sensible to do their background checks before hand, especially when these things cost a few quid when they o wrong.

Perhaps some of the wording was a little strong, but all the same its good to know what to expect.

 

[Ninarvana]

Perhaps my original post should have been more elaborative but to be fair I have referred to this car on several occasions in previous threads as I always use it as a benchmark. In doing so, and in particularly when this was a dealer owned car, my comments were not critiqued however now that it is privately owned and for sale, they are deemed malicious. Firstly to say that Steven is perverse or that I am being malicious is strong Exdos, I have nothing to loose or gain from what I have written and I stand by my words.

One has to consider that this car has only covered 3k miles during it's current ownership; you will be surprised just how many people drive around oblivious to the poor condition their car is actually in... Take my Inty for example, the brakes were so fried when I got her but the current owner lived with the problem. Yes, the chap could have had any issues with the vehicle remedied and if this was the case, as a buyer I would wish to see any evidence of this. If the car has had no work carried out on it I would advise a potential buyer to avoid.

With AUC, you have to consider what this actually stands for and what a BMW warranty entails. This car has a warranty, does not mean the warranty is valid! BMW will happily take your money on a monthly or yearly basis but they do not check the service history first... I have first hand experience of this when I called the warranty team to check if an MC I was looking at could be warranted with a 4 year SH gap; they told me the current owner had a warranty on the car but with such a gap in the SH, would be void should he make a claim. Here BMW will do one of two things, either advise you get an Inspection 2 done or simply not pay.

I'm not going to keep on flogging a dead horse, I stand by my feelings on this car and I felt strongly enough to bring it up. This car is loaded with spec and comes with those expensive Schnitzer boots which is especially why I didn't want someone to be fooled by it's initial write up. The sales person I dealt with at Solihull even admitted the car was not the best example, perhaps had a hard life & when I questioned the SH, he couldn't answer me! Now if the MR I drove came up for sale I would advise toward the car - It had flimper spec and in fact a 3yr gap in the SH (but had only done 14k miles total) however it drove and looked like a brand new car... Would I be wrong to place my opinion on this vehicle or would that be acceptable, because I was being positive?...

 

[exdos]

Firstly to say that Steven is perverse or that I am being malicious is strong Exdos, I have nothing to loose or gain from what I have written and I stand by my words.

If you think that my choice of words is "strong", I wonder how the present owner/seller of the car, against which you seem to have taken such dislike, feels about your actions and words? Perhaps you should send them a link to your thread to find out...

 

[simonlpearce]

Firstly to say that Steven is perverse or that I am being malicious is strong Exdos, I have nothing to loose or gain from what I have written and I stand by my words.

If you think that my choice of words is "strong", I wonder how the present owner/seller of the car against which you seem to have taken such dislike feels about your actions and words? Perhaps you should send them a link to your thread to find out...

:slappy:

 

[exdos]

I have nothing to loose or gain from what I have written and I stand by my words.

You say you have nothing to lose, but see: http://www.inbrief.co.uk/media-law/malicious-falsehoods-slander.htm

What constitutes slander of goods and title?

Slander of goods is a false and malicious statement disparaging the claimant's goods; slander of title is a false and malicious denial of a claimant's title to property. Both are malicious falsehoods and can exist in permanent, written form or transient speech.

You might stand by your words, but why take any risks of getting embroiled in any dispute with the present owner?

 

[Ninarvana]

Exdos, quite frankly you're taking this out of proportion and are acting an a$$ as a result. I'm no longer going to argue with you about this. I have nothing against the seller and I fail to see where I have attacked the seller personally, meerly commenting on the vehicle, regardless of who owns it!!

 

[StevenH72]

I have nothing to loose or gain from what I have written and I stand by my words.

You say you have nothing to lose, but see: http://www.inbrief.co.uk/media-law/malicious-falsehoods-slander.htm

What constitutes slander of goods and title?

Slander of goods is a false and malicious statement disparaging the claimant's goods; slander of title is a false and malicious denial of a claimant's title to property. Both are malicious falsehoods and can exist in permanent, written form or transient speech.

You might stand by your words, but why take any risks of getting embroiled in any dispute with the present owner?

Nina has not provided a false and malicious statement.