The plane crash in the Alps

I can't believe that during that final 8 minutes where the pilot/co-pilot was trying to enter the cock/pit, that nobody on board made contact with a loved-one/relative. If I was on a plane and there was clearly a major incident unfolding, I would be contacting my wife and kids. I think the authorities know more than they are letting on.
 
As i said in a rapid decompression, you will have time to put on the mask - in response to someones question.

Its highly unlikely that the triple laminated screen breaks suddenly. Its more a gradual crack in one of the layers, and usually its not the structural layer.

A sudden decompression takes place due to an explosion, the aircraft is quite well sealed at altitude so it wont just suddenly lose pressurization.

@PVR and SARS

Its a catch 22 situation - if the code is known by a terrorist then there must be a facility to ignore the code i.e. lock the door and prevent entry from the inside.

In this case, thats what happened - UNLESS you consider the scenario where the other crew FORGOT the code (or realised too late what was happening) and could not gain entry, with the pilot at the controls knocked out due to sudden decompression and not being able to don the mask or as someone said he passed out. Why the autopilot should be off and a shallow rate of descent initiated complicates matters further as in an emergency descent due to decompression, the rate would be sigificantly higher.
 
dans6490 said:
I can't believe that during that final 8 minutes where the pilot/co-pilot was trying to enter the cock/pit, that nobody on board made contact with a loved-one/relative. If I was on a plane and there was clearly a major incident unfolding, I would be contacting my wife and kids. I think the authorities know more than they are letting on.

This ^^
As a passenger you would know that you were losing altitude and even more so going over the Alps. This is assuming that the pilot attempting to bang the door down hadn't already caused mass panic within the cabin!
 
I dont think signal coverage is good over that part of the ALPS especially in a fast moving airliner at 600Km/h and at altitude!
 
Is the cockpit air tight ? I guess it must be in case someone tries to gas the entire aircraft. But if it were not then a rapid decompression would affect the rest of the aircraft, and the confusion of putting masks on etc. would take up time, and then would you really be thinking about turning your phone off flight mode ? And if you did, would you even get a signal in such a remote area ? If it was a deliberate act then I'd imagine turning off wifi/satellite comms from the cockpit would be easy.

All speculation. However when they find the flight data recorder they'll be able to piece it together.
 
The cockpit is not airtight as a seperate entity. The fuselage as a whole is pressurised, with a small ouflow valve which opens and closes to maintain the pressure differential. An explosive or rapid decompression would affect all on board including flight crew.
 
bony_13 said:
dans6490 said:
I can't believe that during that final 8 minutes where the pilot/co-pilot was trying to enter the cock/pit, that nobody on board made contact with a loved-one/relative. If I was on a plane and there was clearly a major incident unfolding, I would be contacting my wife and kids. I think the authorities know more than they are letting on.

This ^^
As a passenger you would know that you were losing altitude and even more so going over the Alps. This is assuming that the pilot attempting to bang the door down hadn't already caused mass panic within the cabin!

Exactly, watching the crew frantically trying to get into the cock-pit would immediately alarm you. I personally would turn air-plane mode off and phone my wife. I'm sure at least one person on that flight would've done the same. What are the chances that the pilot/co-pilot died/became seriously ill whilst putting the plane into a slow descent and also disabled access to the cabin whilst the other pilot/co-pilot had left. Very slight I would say.
 
shawna said:
Cockpit is part of the aircraft Bing not a special sealed place :D

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:oops:

That said, I bet it has been considered... And then rejected as the cost of retro-sealing 25 year old aircraft cockpits is just too expensive, if it's even possible.
 
If the recording shows someone frantically trying to enter the cock-pit then I would say that de-compression isn't a factor. They are still trying to enter when the low altitude alarm sounds, suggesting that there were people conscious on impact.
 
My conclusion: it's either a series of extremely unfortunate and improbable events all happening at the same time or terrorism.
 
pvr said:
fixit man said:
Suicidal /murderer pilot ! my thought !

But why take 10 minutes and not just nose dive down?

Maybe the terrorist if that is the case was trying to crash the plane into a certain area or target,thus the slow descent.!
 
pvr said:
fixit man said:
Suicidal /murderer pilot ! my thought !
But why take 10 minutes and not just nose dive down?
The pilot that was locked out was shagging the Mrs of the one who was flying - the one in the cockpit was very depressed about this state of affairs and decides to kill himself by crashing the plane, taking the other pilot with him - hard luck on the px but he's suicidal and they're just 'cargo' - he decides to draw it out so that the man who's been cuckolding him has time to realise what, and hopefully why, this is happening and suffer the way he's been suffering....
 
Why, when they've released the names of the passengers, haven't they released the names of the pilots? What is there to hide if they are also just innocent victims of a terrible accident?
 
dans6490 said:
Why, when they've released the names of the passengers, haven't they released the names of the pilots? What is there to hide if they are also just innocent victims of a terrible accident?

Perhaps one / both were not German and they want to avoid a potential backlash?
 
pvr said:
Perhaps a member of the cabin crew should swap places with the pilot when he walks out so there are always 2 people in there. That may prevent the situation where:

- The pilot suddenly dies
- The pilot is suicidal
- The pilot is a terrorist


Leaving one person in the cockpit which is locked, even if there is some sort of override after x number of seconds, is never going to be great. It only takes a few seconds to put the plane in a terminal descent.
I learned last night from the talking heads on TV that it is an FAA requirement for US airlines to always have 2 crew member in the cockpit at all time.
 
I would suspect that this will become a requirement across the world very soon.
 
pvr said:
fixit man said:
Suicidal /murderer pilot ! my thought !

But why take 10 minutes and not just nose dive down?

If terrorism, you would think it would nose-dive or be flown to a populated area. Flying into a remote mountain doesn't seem plausable. Is it possible the pilot left in control died and fell on the controls. More likely I would say.
 
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