The Pbondar thread

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Havard said:
Oh well. What a sad state of affairs this thread is.!!

I don't come on often these days as I found it a bit cliquey and some of the point scoring was a little tiring 🙄 I was lucky enough to get some phone numbers and join a couple of WhatsApp groups behind the scenes and from there you can find out about runs and trips etc.

I don't think it matters who's side you you on, the fact that you are on a side makes it quite childish. I have met both Craig and Peter and don't have an issue with either and just took them at face value.

For what it is worth, I was given quite a bit of detail about the issue with the Peter's car and a lot of time and money has been spent getting to the bottom of it. I don't believe for one minute that he would want to pass the car on to anyone who would be unhappy with it. Who wants that call from some irate individual who knows where you live?

I had a similar issue myself when I wanted to sell the M and Mefi Ecosse (Rich) was interested. I took him for a spin and something wasn't right with the the way the car pulled to one side, especially under braking. The car had had the wheels and tyres off for a refurb and and only got it back the night before. Turned out to be an intermittent sticky caliper. Who'd have thought?

Whether he was interested or not, I wasn't willing to sell the car until I got to the bottom of the issue but I didn't remove the advert as I was thinking it could be something and nothing and sorted within a week or so.

I don't think anyone has anything to justify when selling a car if they are passing on what they believe is a straight car. A miss-fire at the top of the rev range does not constitute "lemon" in anyone's book.

With the above in mind. There is no way I would ever sell my car on here. Even though everything has been checked out etc, I can't be arsed justifying myself to a complete stranger who hasn't even made the effort to come to look at the car. I think that might just be where Peter is just now.

I think better moderation and some lessons in decency & respect are the order of the day. It's meant to be a car club where we all help each other either with the cars or with what life throws at you in general.

Put the swords away people and chill. Life is way to short to fall out over this s**t..!!
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Yeah,agree Havard.
Too many Keyboard warriors,attacking every for sale thread,etc.
Tere are some on here that attack me at every opportunity,as has been pointed out often,by others, and get very Personal with the attacks on me,my mental health,etc etc.
So I have the right to reply to those attacks, insults ,grudges and lies,do I not.

Also,Pbondar started all this division in the Scottish group on here,given his actions in regards to myself,etc.
Others were then happy to do so then,and continue to do so now,at putting the boot in at every turn.

The Scottish meets/group has Never been like this.

If you look back from when Peter joined the forum,it was evident, by posts on here and his words in person,he had wanted to take over organisation of All Scottish meets,and by putting out a meet practically every 2 weeks (unprecedented,tbh), last year,for 2021, Did just that
How did he think his actions were going to be taken by myself and some others?
As a nice thing to do,and the actions of a Top Bloke?
No,just the actions of someone who saw an opportunity to finally get his own way.
And as others have called him on here in the past,A Narcasist.
It's personally left me disillusioned with things now,as the Forum meets and organisations of/attending them, has been a big part of my life.

Now most Scottish based Newbies who come in here,are communicating via WhatsApp and A Scottish FB group that myself and others were deliberately locked out of.
Shame that by the Poison others have said(mainly based on lies or Personal grudges of their own), that newbies looking to attend meets,are put of mine,folk like Argyll Andy or Scubaregs,who until just very recently, hadn't been on any meets,Or for any other newbies joining,looking to come on Scottish meets.
Sad state of affairs, indeed.

And this is not sour grapes,by any means, (as there are a few on here,given the amount of Abuse and personal attacks on me,I won't want to see again anyway (and obviously a mutual thing), it's just a reflection on why some people think that Peter is a saint, is beyond me,and several other members.

I bet if I had done the same actions as that of Peter,or Others in the Pbondar bandwagon,I would have been slated from pillar to post.
Literally.

Anyway,on a happier note, Havard/Paul,
How's the car doing,decided not to sell the z then?
Still got the Porsche too,going by your sig?
 
craig3.2 said:
Havard said:
Oh well. What a sad state of affairs this thread is.!!

I don't come on often these days as I found it a bit cliquey and some of the point scoring was a little tiring 🙄 I was lucky enough to get some phone numbers and join a couple of WhatsApp groups behind the scenes and from there you can find out about runs and trips etc.

I don't think it matters who's side you you on, the fact that you are on a side makes it quite childish. I have met both Craig and Peter and don't have an issue with either and just took them at face value.

For what it is worth, I was given quite a bit of detail about the issue with the Peter's car and a lot of time and money has been spent getting to the bottom of it. I don't believe for one minute that he would want to pass the car on to anyone who would be unhappy with it. Who wants that call from some irate individual who knows where you live?

I had a similar issue myself when I wanted to sell the M and Mefi Ecosse (Rich) was interested. I took him for a spin and something wasn't right with the the way the car pulled to one side, especially under braking. The car had had the wheels and tyres off for a refurb and and only got it back the night before. Turned out to be an intermittent sticky caliper. Who'd have thought?

Whether he was interested or not, I wasn't willing to sell the car until I got to the bottom of the issue but I didn't remove the advert as I was thinking it could be something and nothing and sorted within a week or so.

I don't think anyone has anything to justify when selling a car if they are passing on what they believe is a straight car. A miss-fire at the top of the rev range does not constitute "lemon" in anyone's book.

With the above in mind. There is no way I would ever sell my car on here. Even though everything has been checked out etc, I can't be arsed justifying myself to a complete stranger who hasn't even made the effort to come to look at the car. I think that might just be where Peter is just now.

I think better moderation and some lessons in decency & respect are the order of the day. It's meant to be a car club where we all help each other either with the cars or with what life throws at you in general.

Put the swords away people and chill. Life is way to short to fall out over this s**t..!!
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Yeah,agree Havard.
But there are some on here that attack me at every opportunity,as has been pointed out often,by others, and get very Personal with the attacks on me,my mental health,etc etc.
So I have the right to reply to those attacks, insults ,grudges and lies,do I not.

Also,Pbondar started all this division in the Scottish group on here,given his actions in regards to myself,etc.
Others were then happy to do so then,and continue to do so now,at putting the boot in at every turn.

The Scottish meets/group has Never been like this.

If you look back from when Peter joined the forum,it was evident, by posts on here and his words in person,he had wanted to take over organisation of All Scottish meets,and by putting out a meet practically every 2 weeks (unprecedented,tbh), last year,for 2021, Did just that
How did he think his actions were going to be taken by myself and some others?
As a nice thing to do,and the actions of a Top Bloke?
No,just the actions of someone who saw an opportunity to finally get his own way.
And as others have called him on here in the past,A Narcasist.
It's personally left me disillusioned with things now,as the Forum meets and organisations of/attending them, has been a big part of my life.

Now most Scottish based Newbies who come in here,are communicating via WhatsApp and A Scottish FB group that myself and others were deliberately locked out of.

And this is not sour grapes,by any means, (as there are a few on here,given the amount of Abuse and personal attacks on me,I won't want to see again anyway (and obviously a mutual thing), it's just a reflection on why some people think that Peter is a saint, is beyond me,and several other members.

I bet if I had done the same actions as that of Others in the Pbondar bandwagon,I would have been slated from pillar to post.
Literally.

Anyway,on a happier note, Havard/Paul,
How's the car doing,decided not to sell the z then?
Still got the Porsch too,going by your sig?
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Craig, you really need to move on and stop blaming everyone else! This has all been a pattern long before Peter joined the forum!
By the way only 1 person has been blocked from the Scottish Facebook group, by me, after a number of complaints of harassment!
I suspect the WhatsApp Group was also created so folk could avoid the harassment they were getting from you, I know how they feel because I was also on the receiving end, having to block you on social media, my phone and even my wife's phone! Now please stop and think before you type anything else, its getting beyond ridiculous and you're not doing yourself or the forum any favours! How many friends have you lost from here over the years? Seriously, for your own sake please let it go and stop the constant whining!
 
Just to be clear, myself and Lynn joined a meet at short notice and only for part of it as the hotel on Mull was fully booked, because we realised the opportunity was available fir us to do so and to have a chance to meet some members.

Which member was organising/running the meeting had no bearing on our decision, it could have been anyone and we were happy to be given the opportunity to come along for the day.

Going forward, the same will apply for us, if there is a meet arranged that we wish to do so and my shifts allow, we will attend.

Who arranges the meeting is inconsequential to us, but obviously they have our gratitude for the time and effort spent doing so.

As said, we didn’t get to Mull but we still had enough time with some people to thoroughly enjoy their company and I’m sure had we had more time with others the same would have occurred.

One of the benefits of a large group is that if there is a personality clash between some members the group is large enough that those members do not need to interact.

Many years ago two players in our then football team fell out over a lady.

Whilst this did lead to some tension in the pub after the game, neither let it change their performance during the game.

Both remained utter shite. :rofl:
 
[ref]craig3.2[/ref],

Craig, I’ve said this to you publicly before and happy to say again. Like [ref]Scubaregs[/ref], this is new to us and we will assess any future events based on the events, NOT the organisers, and if it’s something we fancy attending well sign up to it.

This isn’t limited to Scottish events, the one Attilio was trying to organise in Ireland interested us but things changed and it never happened. I would consider English/Welsh/international events if they got my interest. Good chance it’d be the exact same as last weekend when I hadn’t met one person attending beforehand but that doesn’t matter to me.

You’re 100% correct that last weekend was our first forum run and as I’ve posted elsewhere it was great, the company was great, the organisation was great, the locations were great. That’s all I’m interested in, it is a car forum after all and that’s what I’m here for a shared and common interest in Z4’s a bit of banter and craic, but most definitely not drama :thumbsdown:
 
Just a thought, but most people eventually give up if they see that no-one is biting and they're being totally ignored.
Simply start the next post by saying "Anyway, as I was saying......." :wink:

(Now just sit back and wait for the obvious reply to this..................possibly either Argyll Andy or Pondrew.................. c'mon gents, don't let me down. :roll: )
 
Anyway, as I was saying, [ref]enuff_zed[/ref], stop feckin posting on this thread :poke:

You knew I wouldn’t let you down :wink: :wub:
 
MefiEcosse said:
craig3.2 said:
Craig, you really need to move on and stop blaming everyone else! This has all been a pattern long before Peter joined the forum!
By the way only 1 person has been blocked from the Scottish Facebook group, by me, after a number of complaints of harassment!
I suspect the WhatsApp Group was also created so folk could avoid the harassment they were getting from you, I know how they feel because I was also on the receiving end, having to block you on social media, my phone and even my wife's phone! Now please stop and think before you type anything else, its getting beyond ridiculous and you're not doing yourself or the forum any favours! How many friends have you lost from here over the years? Seriously, for your own sake please let it go and stop the constant whining!
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What total utter bullshit Richie.
I neither harassed you or your wife,only phoned you a few times to find out the location of a meet,which I didn't know,and hadn't been able to get a hold of you.
Hardly harassment.
And I didn't Harrass others either, I think that's al been wee established to be bullshit as well
I was accused by you and your fellow idiots who attack me constantly on here,that the WhatsApp group was set up not to keep communication private, bur Peter accused me of Harassing people to attend my meets.
Again,proved to be utter bs!!
I merely pm or text/call people from time to time,to let them know about my meets,or fir a General chat,have done for years,even way before you joined.
Did you and I not chat regularly over many forum,and sometimes non forum things for years,until that 1 time I couldn't get a hold of you,as that was the point at which you chose to ignore me.

Not surprisingly,you and Wullie jumped in again with more Bullshit and Attacks.
Just waiting for the 3rd one to come along,lol

You really do talk some crap.

Oh,and to answer your Question
How many friends have I lost from here.

None,Zero.
None that count anyway,as they turned out to be tossers who like to have a go at me on here constantly
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I got banned from zroadster.com for PM'ing a member for being nasty to a lady poster. Asked them to lay off and got reported.
Instant ban. Their loss not mine. :roll:
 
craig3.2 said:
MefiEcosse said:
craig3.2 said:
Craig, you really need to move on and stop blaming everyone else! This has all been a pattern long before Peter joined the forum!
By the way only 1 person has been blocked from the Scottish Facebook group, by me, after a number of complaints of harassment!
I suspect the WhatsApp Group was also created so folk could avoid the harassment they were getting from you, I know how they feel because I was also on the receiving end, having to block you on social media, my phone and even my wife's phone! Now please stop and think before you type anything else, its getting beyond ridiculous and you're not doing yourself or the forum any favours! How many friends have you lost from here over the years? Seriously, for your own sake please let it go and stop the constant whining!
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What total utter bullshit Richie.
I neither harassed you or your wife,only phoned you a few times to find out the location of a meet,which I didn't know,and hadn't been able to get a hold of you.
Hardly harassment.
And I didn't Harrass others either, I think that's al been wee established to be bullshit as well
I was accused by you and your fellow idiots who attack me constantly on here,that the WhatsApp group was set up not to keep communication private, bur Peter accused me of Harassing people to attend my meets.
Again,proved to be utter bs!!
I merely pm or text/call people from time to time,to let them know about my meets,or fir a General chat,have done for years,even way before you joined.
Did you and I not chat regularly over many forum,and sometimes non forum things for years,until that 1 time I couldn't get a hold of you,as that was the point at which you chose to ignore me.

Not surprisingly,you and Wullie jumped in again with more Bullshit and Attacks.
Just waiting for the 3rd one to come along,lol

You really do talk some crap.
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I'm now starting to think you're craving the negative attention Craig, tried a few times now to get you to realise you're doing more damage than good but you seem determined to keep sniping away at folk, then cry wolf when you get a bit of honest feedback!

Feel sorry for you, I really do!

It's pretty clear some folk feel you harassed them, it wasn't 2 or 3 that complained it was several!

Keep burying your head in the sand if you want, plenty folk here trying to help you and give you advice but sadly you're not listening!

This will be my last attempt to get you to see some sense!
Good luck with whatever you decide to do in the future!

Rich not Richie!
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ronk said:
I couldn’t have imagined how a simple and genuine question could have caused so much of a furore.

I have thought about putting my car on the forum for sale but I don’t think it’s worth the grief.
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Just to save you the grief, I will have a look at buying it as and when available. It's the least I can do.

Now to read the remaining half dozen pages on this lovein thread.

The end was a bit of a let down and not sure what if anything was achieved.

Hey Ho, onto next thread
 
GoGirlZ4 said:
Perhaps this would be a good opportunity for the mods to close this thread, as it has run its course
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Don't be silly - this is nearly as entertaining as one of Jonny Essex's 'I'mGonnaTurboChargeMy2.0LAndMakeItFasterThanAnM - Reem' threads
:P
 
PerryGunn said:
GoGirlZ4 said:
Perhaps this would be a good opportunity for the mods to close this thread, as it has run its course
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Don't be silly - this is nearly as entertaining as one of Jonny Essex's 'I'mGonnaTurboChargeMy2.0LAndMakeItFasterThanAnM - Reem' threads
:P
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There’s a blast from the past, Jonny seems to have disappeared without trace? :?
Rob
 
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