the new cayman/boxster GT4

original guvnor said:
Yes I'm reading the Pistonheads threads. They make me smile. I love the GT3. It's my dream car. In any guise other than the 991. I wanted the Metzger and if I could choose any car this side of a Ferrari F12 it would be a 997.2 GT3 RS!! Back in the real world.....! I get the debate about GT3 v GT4 but I'm not sure it's entirely relevant. This car has been bought out to open up GT cars to a younger and less affluent buyer than the GT3.

Nobody has driven it yet and yet people are already slagging it off. The same people who always slag the Cayman off (perhaps because they have a 911). How about celebrating a new MANUAL GT car. That's only about £10k more than a GTS but has soooooo much extra kit in it.
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i love your outlook on this car OG, you seem sold. i have no doubt this is going to be mega...

watching the evo video, is the guy hinting this car actually has more HP :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:


constantly playing on configurator to get to as 75k car but it literally has no options. how much does your desired spec come to ??? honestly.
 
I haven't played on the configurator yet Byron!! Probably about mid-£70's because I'd have club sport, carbon seats and PCCB. But would i personally need PCCB? I can see why you would with the Curborough events but I'd be a two or three track days a year sort of guy and so I could maybe do without them. But would that affect my resale if I did? All academic at present because I don't have enough in the kitty for it (yet).

I just love the fact that Porsche have bought a GT car out with a manual box for £15k less than the old 997.1 GT3 yet it has almost identical power to weight and will be quicker on track stock v stock.
 
Really enjoyed the evo video, their is imo some beautiful chassis upgrades and lots of lovely GT3 style / upgrades.

Ive spent a good bit of time on the configurator and to get a car that will perform how i want, with the bits i need ( essential bits to a car like this ) AND one that will have enough/important toys to be desirable on the used market, the car is at the over 80k mark as per what OG said earlier and the dealer today confirmed.
 
original guvnor said:
I haven't played on the configurator yet Byron!! Probably about mid-£70's because I'd have club sport, carbon seats and PCCB. But would i personally need PCCB? I can see why you would with the Curborough events but I'd be a two or three track days a year sort of guy and so I could maybe do without them. But would that affect my resale if I did? All academic at present because I don't have enough in the kitty for it (yet).

I just love the fact that Porsche have bought a GT car out with a manual box for £15k less than the old 997.1 GT3 yet it has almost identical power to weight and will be quicker on track stock v stock.
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from what I've just explored the PCCB, Clubsport spec with carbon seats, Lap timer, PCM means you HAVe to have the top spec hifi ,carbon interior pack ( 600 so not to crazy) in GT silver bring me to 81k. This isn't an outlandish spec by all means, but it does make me see i can't afford the car i want. This is the type of vehicle that HAS to be spec'd right otherwise theirs no point doing it imo.
 
original guvnor said:
Let's be clear, I don't think the normal GT3 has ever been a limited run in the sense that they have stated production numbers at the start and not gone above them. This will be a limited run. They won't produce that many and they won't give dealers much allocation. This is a Porsche Motorsport project and the car has a GT tag. That is a very strong sub-brand they are looking after. How many people are going to buy a £75k Cayman that will be a very focused machine with only two seats? They don't sell many normal Caymans let alone this model.

The residuals will be rock-solid.
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Porsche did state production figures for the 991 GT3 and they did not go above that (not i'm not saying it's a limited edition, i'm saying the GT factory say they will build X amount and they stick to it). However, they did not/do not state total production run figures for the life span of the car. They state a figure they will produce for a production year, release the allocation and do not exceed it. If this wasn't the case then the car would have struggled to get the premium that nearly new ones were getting and my friend who stuffed his wouldn't have had the issue that Porsche couldn't offer him a replacement as they simply weren't making any more that year (eventually they did try to sell him a cancelled order but he'd moved onto a DBS by then).

According to my friend (who has been pretty bang on about this car so far), the Cayman will not be like this. Production will be more akin to the previous Cayman R and will only be limited by the production capabilities of the GT factory. As it stands he has been told that an initial allocation will be given to each OPC when those slots are gone they are gone. There'll however be more allocation every quarter and they are not stating whether it will ever be limited. You will make money out of this car if you get one of the first order slots and keep it short term. Long term it will almost definitely depreciate due to it being treated almost like any other Porsche in terms of production. In saying that, depreciation will still be much better than most other cars and i dare say very long term it will appreciate.
 
Mowflow said:
original guvnor said:
Let's be clear, I don't think the normal GT3 has ever been a limited run in the sense that they have stated production numbers at the start and not gone above them. This will be a limited run. They won't produce that many and they won't give dealers much allocation. This is a Porsche Motorsport project and the car has a GT tag. That is a very strong sub-brand they are looking after. How many people are going to buy a £75k Cayman that will be a very focused machine with only two seats? They don't sell many normal Caymans let alone this model.

The residuals will be rock-solid.
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Porsche did state production figures for the 991 GT3 and they did not go above that (not i'm not saying it's a limited edition, i'm saying the GT factory say they will build X amount and they stick to it). However, they did not/do not state total production run figures for the life span of the car. They state a figure they will produce for a production year, release the allocation and do not exceed it. If this wasn't the case then the car would have struggled to get the premium that nearly new ones were getting and my friend who stuffed his wouldn't have had the issue that Porsche couldn't offer him a replacement as they simply weren't making any more that year (eventually they did try to sell him a cancelled order but he'd moved onto a DBS by then).

According to my friend (who has been pretty bang on about this car so far), the Cayman will not be like this. Production will be more akin to the previous Cayman R and will only be limited by the production capabilities of the GT factory. As it stands he has been told that an initial allocation will be given to each OPC when those slots are gone they are gone. There'll however be more allocation every quarter and they are not stating whether it will ever be limited. You will make money out of this car if you get one of the first order slots and keep it short term. Long term it will almost definitely depreciate due to it being treated almost like any other Porsche in terms of production. In saying that, depreciation will still be much better than most other cars and i dare say very long term it will appreciate.
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I almost hope that it depreciates and that its not a limited run. If thats the case, people will not be afraid to use them as intended, and they will become more accessible to the second hand buyer.

As i said before, i think its a real shame that Porsche GT design these awesome drivers road/track cars, then people buy them up as an investment and don't use them! Hopefully the GT4 won't suffer this fate, and they will be enjoyed properly, and driven hard, and fast!
 
Mowflow said:
original guvnor said:
Let's be clear, I don't think the normal GT3 has ever been a limited run in the sense that they have stated production numbers at the start and not gone above them. This will be a limited run. They won't produce that many and they won't give dealers much allocation. This is a Porsche Motorsport project and the car has a GT tag. That is a very strong sub-brand they are looking after. How many people are going to buy a £75k Cayman that will be a very focused machine with only two seats? They don't sell many normal Caymans let alone this model.

The residuals will be rock-solid.
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Porsche did state production figures for the 991 GT3 and they did not go above that (not i'm not saying it's a limited edition, i'm saying the GT factory say they will build X amount and they stick to it). However, they did not/do not state total production run figures for the life span of the car. They state a figure they will produce for a production year, release the allocation and do not exceed it. If this wasn't the case then the car would have struggled to get the premium that nearly new ones were getting and my friend who stuffed his wouldn't have had the issue that Porsche couldn't offer him a replacement as they simply weren't making any more that year (eventually they did try to sell him a cancelled order but he'd moved onto a DBS by then).

According to my friend (who has been pretty bang on about this car so far), the Cayman will not be like this. Production will be more akin to the previous Cayman R and will only be limited by the production capabilities of the GT factory. As it stands he has been told that an initial allocation will be given to each OPC when those slots are gone they are gone. There'll however be more allocation every quarter and they are not stating whether it will ever be limited. You will make money out of this car if you get one of the first order slots and keep it short term. Long term it will almost definitely depreciate due to it being treated almost like any other Porsche in terms of production. In saying that, depreciation will still be much better than most other cars and i dare say very long term it will appreciate.
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They're still making the 991GT3 aren't they?

Porsche sold 12,000 Caymans across the world in 2013. Do you really think there is actual demand for more than about 250-500 GT4's in the UK? At £75k for a two-seater that will be a little bit too much for an everyday car? That has cord for door handles?

They'll do what they always do. Whatever they forecast demand at, they will under-produce against.

I'm not saying these are investment cars. I'm just saying that compared to just about any other similar car they will outperform on depreciation. You mention the Cayman R - if I'd bought one brand new I'd be pretty happy with how much they are still fetching to be honest. This will be in another league to the R. It's a GT, the first ever Cayman GT. I can't think of a more dead cert car that is real world money (I.e. Sub-£100k) than this one, until the Cayman GT4 RS that is.
 
Easty-5 said:
£35K is going to be a big ask Beedub. I hope that you get lucky and you get the 1 person who is willing to pay that. In my opinion it is worth that much. Just take a look at some of the low mileage standard ZM's that have sold for £25-£30k. Like anything in the world today, an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Fingers crossed for you mate :thumbsup:
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Just catching up on this.... Firstly, the GT4 would be an absolutely amazing car, I'm personally keeping an eye out for the speculated 981 Boxster Spyder.

As fantastic as your car is, it's not worth £35k, sorry to say, but you're dreaming! When I sold my ESS Supercharged 3.0 I ended up having to put the car back to standard as it wasn't really worth much more than a standard car, these cars are not worth their sum of parts unfortunately. I had the complete car for sale for months and months, not much interest, I then put it back to standard and sold everything within 3 weeks, made a lot more money too. You're problem with putting it back to standard is the car too well known on the internet now, with track time pictures, and will instantly be recognised, especially with the low miles. I also think people who want a heavily modified car like this want the enjoyment of building it themselves, as a project car, like you have, not buy a ready made one.

Not even sure you'd get close to £35k selling all the bits separately, but either way, it's worth a go to chase the dream car, as you say, you'll kick yourself otherwise :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
If it were a coupe, I would seriously consider buying Beedub's car with all mods included as it already has all the mods that I would choose to fit. I've spent £25-30k modifying mine so far (including buying the car) and I'm still on stock discs / callipers and have no supercharger as yet. I would expect to have to pay another £15k for these.
 
gwatson said:
Easty-5 said:
£35K is going to be a big ask Beedub. I hope that you get lucky and you get the 1 person who is willing to pay that. In my opinion it is worth that much. Just take a look at some of the low mileage standard ZM's that have sold for £25-£30k. Like anything in the world today, an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Fingers crossed for you mate :thumbsup:
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Just catching up on this.... Firstly, the GT4 would be an absolutely amazing car, I'm personally keeping an eye out for the speculated 981 Boxster Spyder.

As fantastic as your car is, it's not worth £35k, sorry to say, but you're dreaming! When I sold my ESS Supercharged 3.0 I ended up having to put the car back to standard as it wasn't really worth much more than a standard car, these cars are not worth their sum of parts unfortunately. I had the complete car for sale for months and months, not much interest, I then put it back to standard and sold everything within 3 weeks, made a lot more money too. You're problem with putting it back to standard is the car too well known on the internet now, with track time pictures, and will instantly be recognised, especially with the low miles. I also think people who want a heavily modified car like this want the enjoyment of building it themselves, as a project car, like you have, not buy a ready made one.

Not even sure you'd get close to £35k selling all the bits separately, but either way, it's worth a go to chase the dream car, as you say, you'll kick yourself otherwise :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Fair enough and value all opinions, i respectfully disagree however.
 
advert is live on PH, to tired now to edit it further but will work on it further tomorrow... If I'm ever going to try nows the time, if i get close to my asking price ill be happy, i may be well off the mark but at significantly under my listing price it wouldn't be worth it for me anyway as the car is absolutely worth the price imo of course :-) Lets see what happens, but I'm not desperate in the slightest so...... let the fun begin.
 
Good luck with the sale Byron. Just read the advert, reads well. Your passion for the car comes across in it really clearly. It's a smashing car.
 
Good luck with the sale... Plenty of people out there want a modded Z... And far cheaper for them to buy yours than try and do it themselves... So it does make sense.


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Thanks guys i will be working on it again today and trying to get my best pics resized. i wish i had the funds to run another car along side this like i used to be able to... sadly those days are long gone. if it sells then a new chapter comes, if it doesn't.... then i will absolutely keep it and i will be almost relieved on one side, but i need to give it a try satisfy myself that I've had a go.

on a side note I've had lots of emails... almost.... too many.... hmmmm reading between the lines 99% of them seem to be test pilots just asking for a test driving and viewing, no asking for detailed info like yo would if you was genuinely interested... i forget the joys of car selling.
 
If you really want to sell it, then good luck with the sale! Of course, if your heart's not in it, I hope you can't get the price you want and you decide to keep it :wink: I rather hope you can't let it go as I know how much blood and sweat you've poured into that little car and I think you'll come to regret it...
...if you decide to go a different way and return it to stock then sell the car and mods separately, please let me know.
 
BMWZ4MC said:
If you really want to sell it, then good luck with the sale! Of course, if your heart's not in it, I hope you can't get the price you want and you decide to keep it :wink: I rather hope you can't let it go as I know how much blood and sweat you've poured into that little car and I think you'll come to regret it...
...if you decide to go a different way and return it to stock then sell the car and mods separately, please let me know.
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at 35k i aint stupid enough to think ill be off tomorrow, this is a , put it up a TOP end to see what happens.... my heart is definitely not in their, but its nice to have alittle flutter and see what happens, you never know who's out and watching :-) i think this car will be with me for a long while yet as i won't ever let it go for anything but top buck. if this was a desperate or aggressive sale the car wouldn't be priced at 35k :wink: :wink: so if you ever see this car for sale for 25k I've gone bankrupt! lmao!!!
Hopefully i get back into the position where i could run something else alongside it.... then i can honestly hand on heart say id keep it, i have plenty of options for keeping them both covered. That a possibility as my sons nursery fee's come to an end in September.... thats 550 quid a month better off... :-)

But i can say, this car will NEVER, ever be returned back to stock. EVER. :driving: If I'm honest now that I've actually taken the time to do the ad and step back, even for 35k..... it isn't worth it or replicable today without costing a fortune, then the car its all attached too definitely isn't replicable. i had a really good long look today and theirs nothing i can realistically replace it with, my little itch is satisfied... i haven't had too many in my years so I'm allowed.

th gt4 gave me a new car wobble.... excuse me guys, I'm back... i won't do that again i promise :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
 
looks great in red.



from the article:
We already know how the sportscar is going to look like and all the technical specifications but it was not spotted in all its glory until janb_photography got lucky enough to spot this sportscar resting near the Porsche factory in Zuffenhausen. This Porsche Cayman GT4 is finished in a special Carmine Red color.

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tomas6791 said:
looks great in red.



from the article:
We already know how the sportscar is going to look like and all the technical specifications but it was not spotted in all its glory until janb_photography got lucky enough to spot this sportscar resting near the Porsche factory in Zuffenhausen. This Porsche Cayman GT4 is finished in a special Carmine Red color.

6 pictures in the gallery

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good god!!! looks incredible, porsche have that wheels , to arch, to arch gap totally perfect on the GT cars. i LOVE it... i wish it was more in my price range as I've now spend a good chunk of my Gt4 fund on a hot hatch, so between that and my Z and my company wagon I'm more than happy.
 
i see their is a new spyder too!!!! BUT.... as porsche always do they will want to cut its balls off so it doesn't hamper the specialness of the GT4. a Spyder with he 3.8 lump would be considerably more desirable as it would be even lighter .
 
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