The jab ..

[Old-Duckman]

VAERS
Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System:
The website I got this from said that relatively few doctors know that the system exists. The video I watched that led me to the site said other doctors may be afraid to upload data due to possible unpleasant consequences. That said, these numbers most likely err on the conservative side of adverse reactions caused by the Covid vaccines.

In the book I am reading, "Plague of Corruption" by Dr. Judy Mikovits, she gives numerous instances of scientists working in the sciences related to vaccines who either died prematurely or committed "suicide" (or were "suicided", my conclusion she doesn't say that specifically...but eludes to it).

The book is very technical and though she tries, at times, to dumb it down I'm afraid she doesn't always dumb it down to my level. But, I surely get her point and to boil it down simply, if the release of scientific research papers, findings etc. would harm either the government or the drug (and other related) companies, well then the research is either discredited (by those paid by those institutions) or simply kept from being released. She also concludes that the health of the people be dammed as the above mentioned institutions care more about money and lawsuits brought against them than they do about people's well-being.

FYI

 

[Flyingfifer]

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission.

Got a source for this dude?

 

[ProfCJJ]

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission.

Got a source for this dude?

This is it reported by the Guardian - but the study is published in the Lancet (preprint at this stage).

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/02/single-dose-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-could-cut-transmission-by-67

 

[ronk]

That looks quite reassuring

 

[Flyingfifer]

This is it reported by the Guardian - but the study is published in the Lancet (preprint at this stage).

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/02/single-dose-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-could-cut-transmission-by-67

Thanks

From what I can tell the transmission claim is largely conjecture based on the number of positive tests for C19 after a certain period of time and is specifically focused on the later (12weeks>) group. Something I did notice was that they found the vaccine effectiveness between 90 - 120 days was 32% meaning 90 days looks like our lot in terms of protection.

Its also interesting that the majority (82.7%) were under the age of 55 a group we already know is quite capable of fighting off the virus

There are also a number of conflict of interest declared quite a few are directly financial as well, worth bearing in mind.

It does certainly appear thought that leaving the booster to 12weeks results in a more long lived resistance

 

[Nanu]

Lets face it, there will always be winners and losers and not always in anyone's control into which cat you fall. With me it was all about timing. I was very happy in my job and was thinking about retiring in 12/18 months when Covid hit. I was in Gambling regulation and all gambling premises closed which only left online stuff. I was offered redundancy so took it. 3 days later the Govt funded Local Authorities to fight the virus locally, I applied for a job and got it earning the same as the job I had just left. Without Covid, my old job would be the same and my new job which I enjoy and feel like I am doing some good, would not have existed. I was lucky, there are a lot out there that aren't

 

[Stevo1987]

Lets face it, there will always be winners and losers and not always in anyone's control into which cat you fall. With me it was all about timing. I was very happy in my job and was thinking about retiring in 12/18 months when Covid hit. I was in Gambling regulation and all gambling premises closed which only left online stuff. I was offered redundancy so took it. 3 days later the Govt funded Local Authorities to fight the virus locally, I applied for a job and got it earning the same as the job I had just left. Without Covid, my old job would be the same and my new job which I enjoy and feel like I am doing some good, would not have existed. I was lucky, there are a lot out there that aren't

As JIm Bowen said. "that's the gamble". I got lucky with redundancy a couple of times. That is in a financial sense. It didn't feel like it at the time but with hindsight it worked out well. Some you win some you lose. It was very stressful though.

 

[PerryGunn]

In the book I am reading, "Plague of Corruption" by Dr. Judy Mikovits, she gives numerous instances of scientists working in the sciences related to vaccines who either died prematurely or committed "suicide" (or were "suicided", my conclusion she doesn't say that specifically...but eludes to it).

Anyone who buys into anything written by Judy Mikovits belongs firmly in the 'tin foil hat' brigade, she's often quoted by conspiracy theorists but has been completely discredited by mainstream scientific experts from here to Timbuktu. The problem is that the conspiracy theorists always say that those explaining why she's full of horseshit are 'part of the cover up' and refuse to countenance the possibility that she may really have a screw loose...

She's now as far out of touch with mainstream science or, in my opinion, reality, as Dr Judy Wood, another favourite of the conspiracy theorists, who likes to claim that the Twin Towers were turned into dust as they fell by some, as yet unknown, people/organisation by some, as yet unknown, process involving 'directed energy' - if you want to believe that sort of thing then that's your prerogative but don't be surprised if you hear people laughing behind your back

Nothing wrong with opinions, they're like arseholes - everyone has one. The problem comes when you start believing that all of them are equally valid.

 

[Old-Duckman]

Anyone who buys into anything written by Judy Mikovits belongs firmly in the 'tin foil hat' brigade, she's often quoted by conspiracy theorists but has been completely discredited by mainstream scientific experts from here to Timbuktu. The problem is that the conspiracy theorists always say that those explaining why she's full of horseshit are 'part of the cover up' and refuse to countenance the possibility that she may really have a screw loose...

She's now as far out of touch with mainstream science or, in my opinion, reality, as Dr Judy Wood, another favourite of the conspiracy theorists, who likes to claim that the Twin Towers were turned into dust as they fell by some, as yet unknown, people/organisation by some, as yet unknown, process involving 'directed energy' - if you want to believe that sort of thing then that's your prerogative but don't be surprised if you hear people laughing behind your back

Nothing wrong with opinions, they're like arseholes - everyone has one. The problem comes when you start believing that all of them are equally valid.

Have you read any of her books sir or are you basing your opinion on what you have heard or read about her from others?

 

[exdos]

See the interview with Prof. Sarah Gilbert on The Andrew Marr Show (BBC 1) this morning between 32:40 and 46:00. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000s5lx/the-andrew-marr-show-07022021

Prof Gilbert designed the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission. With those odds the R number will fall quickly the more people are vaccinated.

Well that's the thing isn't it.

In an ideal situation alongside the effectiveness of the people who have already had the virus (not mentioned no where near enough but we have a year's worth of data now to see if they can transmit again) the jabbers will bring that R rate down.

At this point it will either A, die out as people are just not catching it as there is a barrier with herd immunity. Or B, will keep burning through the young who are least at risk and build towards the herd immunity.

Either way, this is only heading one way now and that's in a positive direction. I think it will take longer than normal to get back to where we need to be but as far as I am concerned as soon as my parents get their second jab and their 90% as a family I would have thought we will make the decision to go back to normal.

We Lanes are capable of thinking for ourselves and are aware of the risks and the government can spin it any way they want but I would have thought most free thinking people are the same.

Lives are there to be lived. If you have your jab and get your 95+% protection from a virus that you have 99.9% survival rate from and still at that point think we should close businesses, destroy kids futures and rack up unprecedented amounts of debt then I don't really know what to say what to say about it really.

The good times are just around the corner (once we negate the mass unemployment, poverty and the destruction of lives that we have caused over the last year).

 

[Deleted member 32480]

PS.

If the government can't even protect the old in the care homes by simply having live in careers rather than letting individual support workers bounce from one site to 4-5 others on a daily basis passing the virus out amongst the worst affected. Having 12 months ago sent infected people back from the hospital into the care homes.

If that's the way they are treating them- what makes you think they they know what's right for you and your family? And why should you listen to them and obey their "science".

 

[dans6490]

PS.

If the government can't even protect the old in the care homes by simply having live in careers rather than letting individual support workers bounce from one site to 4-5 others on a daily basis passing the virus out amongst the worst affected. Having 12 months ago sent infected people back from the hospital into the care homes.

If that's the way they are treating them- what makes you think they they know what's right for you and your family? And why should you listen to them and obey their "science".

Totally agree with the care home situation, however, I think it was lose/lose situation and I don’t see how it’s the governments fault. Most care homes are private businesses that make their own decisions. The problem is there are very few of these people that you mention, usually with families, that are willing to forfeit large parts of their lives, working for little over the minimum wage? I doubt you’d get many signing up for that

I hear everyone blaming the government, for everything, on a daily basis.

However, no mass blame for those ignoring the advice. Of course, as you say above, they know better then the scientific advisors? Like the hundreds attending weddings, parties etc. They also know something the government advisors don’t

Yeah sure the government made mistakes and some of the public are able to make rational choices that bend the rules while staying safe. However, I believe that most people think they’re experts and don’t “obey” their science. There’s an awful lot of the population of very low intelligence out there doing just that. Which I believe is why we are in this exact situation.

Fortunately we don’t live in China and people / businesses are given the advice and asked to obey the rules. The trade off is that people who don’t want to follow the advice, will face little sanctions. Those people who know better are packing out the shops up and down the country

I can’t get a definitive answer in this but is it really “the government” who were sending oap’s back to care homes? Was it “the government” who decided who was well enough to be discharged or was it the nhs staff who work in the hospitals?

When these elderly patients are well enough to go back to the care homes, what should they do with them? Keep them in the very place that definitely does have Covid 19, which takes up a much needed bed? Or send them back to a care home and allow the care staff to continue doing their best to keep them safe?

A work colleague was telling me the other day, that if Labour had been voted in, we would have had a different set of advisors, civil servants, council workers, that would have made better choices. Not just MP’s but the people up and down the country who work for the council or government departments etc. Like local planning, health and safety, etc. They would all be replaced by people in the Labour Party.

Yes there are people out there who are genuinely that naive, that they believe that when a government changes, the people in all of those jobs also change

These people are all around us disobeying the rules and spreading the virus at will

IMO these people are the ones mainly at fault.

 

[TitanTim]

Completely agree with Dan above, we have never been in this situation before so tricky for any Government to tackle it to please all.

I do believe though the Government acted slow at times in introducing fuller lockdowns sooner, i.e. back in November than waiting then relaxing things over Christmas with the enivetable results.

I just don't think us Brits are very good at following rules, many do but many have the I know better, stuff you, selfish attitude, plus its scary how many people are simply not very intelligent. I heard a story locally where a chap was telling the check out girl at his local supermarket that he had come shopping on his own as his wife was self isolating

What can one say.

Tim.

 

[Z4C_er]

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission. With those odds the R number will fall quickly the more people are vaccinated.

Well that's the thing isn't it.

In an ideal situation alongside the effectiveness of the people who have already had the virus (not mentioned no where near enough but we have a year's worth of data now to see if they can transmit again) the jabbers will bring that R rate down.

At this point it will either A, die out as people are just not catching it as there is a barrier with herd immunity. Or B, will keep burning through the young who are least at risk and build towards the herd immunity.

Either way, this is only heading one way now and that's in a positive direction. I think it will take longer than normal to get back to where we need to be but as far as I am concerned as soon as my parents get their second jab and their 90% as a family I would have thought we will make the decision to go back to normal.

We Lanes are capable of thinking for ourselves and are aware of the risks and the government can spin it any way they want but I would have thought most free thinking people are the same.

Lives are there to be lived. If you have your jab and get your 95+% protection from a virus that you have 99.9% survival rate from and still at that point think we should close businesses, destroy kids futures and rack up unprecedented amounts of debt then I don't really know what to say what to say about it really.

The good times are just around the corner (once we negate the mass unemployment, poverty and the destruction of lives that we have caused over the last year).

Here's another one of those quote who didn't say it things. Something screwy is going on here. I couldn't see how you could quote me is I wasn't involved in the original response? It was a Prof response to Titan Tim. What's going on mods?

 

[dans6490]

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission. With those odds the R number will fall quickly the more people are vaccinated.

Well that's the thing isn't it.

In an ideal situation alongside the effectiveness of the people who have already had the virus (not mentioned no where near enough but we have a year's worth of data now to see if they can transmit again) the jabbers will bring that R rate down.

At this point it will either A, die out as people are just not catching it as there is a barrier with herd immunity. Or B, will keep burning through the young who are least at risk and build towards the herd immunity.

Either way, this is only heading one way now and that's in a positive direction. I think it will take longer than normal to get back to where we need to be but as far as I am concerned as soon as my parents get their second jab and their 90% as a family I would have thought we will make the decision to go back to normal.

We Lanes are capable of thinking for ourselves and are aware of the risks and the government can spin it any way they want but I would have thought most free thinking people are the same.

Lives are there to be lived. If you have your jab and get your 95+% protection from a virus that you have 99.9% survival rate from and still at that point think we should close businesses, destroy kids futures and rack up unprecedented amounts of debt then I don't really know what to say what to say about it really.

The good times are just around the corner (once we negate the mass unemployment, poverty and the destruction of lives that we have caused over the last year).

Here's another one of those quote who didn't say it things. Something screwy is going on here. I couldn't see how you could quote me is I wasn't involved in the original response? It was a Prof response to Titan Tim. What's going on mods?

Wow, that is weird. How is that even possible

 

[dans6490]

Well that's the thing isn't it.

In an ideal situation alongside the effectiveness of the people who have already had the virus (not mentioned no where near enough but we have a year's worth of data now to see if they can transmit again) the jabbers will bring that R rate down.

At this point it will either A, die out as people are just not catching it as there is a barrier with herd immunity. Or B, will keep burning through the young who are least at risk and build towards the herd immunity.

Either way, this is only heading one way now and that's in a positive direction. I think it will take longer than normal to get back to where we need to be but as far as I am concerned as soon as my parents get their second jab and their 90% as a family I would have thought we will make the decision to go back to normal.

We Lanes are capable of thinking for ourselves and are aware of the risks and the government can spin it any way they want but I would have thought most free thinking people are the same.

Lives are there to be lived. If you have your jab and get your 95+% protection from a virus that you have 99.9% survival rate from and still at that point think we should close businesses, destroy kids futures and rack up unprecedented amounts of debt then I don't really know what to say what to say about it really.

The good times are just around the corner (once we negate the mass unemployment, poverty and the destruction of lives that we have caused over the last year).

Here's another one of those quote who didn't say it things. Something screwy is going on here. I couldn't see how you could quote me is I wasn't involved in the original response? It was a Prof response to Titan Tim. What's going on mods?

Wow, that is weird. How is that even possible

Mmmmmm it seems you can edit the name when quoting :-|

 

[Smartbear]

Here's another one of those quote who didn't say it things. Something screwy is going on here. I couldn't see how you could quote me is I wasn't involved in the original response? It was a Prof response to Titan Tim. What's going on mods?

Wow, that is weird. How is that even possible

Mmmmmm it seems you can edit the name when quoting :-|

Not another conspiracy theory, please.
Rob

 

[Nictrix]

Yes there are people out there who are genuinely that naive, that they believe that when a government changes, the people in all of those jobs also change

I must be naive but is this not exactly what happens?
Whatever government is in charge chooses who they deal with and each will have their own "experts" who they will work with.

 

[dans6490]

Wow, that is weird. How is that even possible

Mmmmmm it seems you can edit the name when quoting :-|

Not another conspiracy theory, please.
Rob

Your name is DarthVader????