The jab ..

[TitanTim]

Look on the bright side, if all this had kicked off say 100 years back we would all had been a hell of a lot worse off.

Thank today's for small mercy's.

Tim.

 

[ronk]

I would not love to see it but I would like to see your reactions if suddenly through no fault of your own your way of earning was taken away and you were left with 30% of your pensions etc and the savings you had as a 36 year old.

Really!!
I’m afraid you are well off the mark there - tough as it might have been.

I was 35 years old when company i worked for went tits up in 1982/83 .
I had recently taken on a big mortgage at 12% or more and my daughter had just been born - do you know what help I got???? £32 a week plus 10p a week for my daughter.
30% of my earnings would have been heaven on earth
So it has not been all beer and skittles for us either.

 

[Z4C_er]

I would not love to see it but I would like to see your reactions if suddenly through no fault of your own your way of earning was taken away and you were left with 30% of your pensions etc and the savings you had as a 36 year old.

Really!!
I’m afraid you are well off the mark there - tough as it might have been.

I was 35 years old when company i worked for went tits up in 1982/83 .
I had recently taken on a big mortgage at 12% or more and my daughter had just been born - do you know what help I got???? £32 a week plus 10p a week for my daughter.
30% of my earnings would have been heaven on earth
So it has not been all beer and skittles for us either.

I think you misunderstood what mgrlane posted. His post was posing the question to you as if you weren't allowed to work. If the possibility of work was taken away. That wasn't the case for you. You lost your job, but there was nothing stopping you from finding another. It's different now. How can you apply for positions in companies that aren't operating?

 

[ronk]

At the the time there was massive unemployment and even worse in the North East it was not easy to find work .
Trust me I tried!

There was no work - my livelihood had been taken away through no fault of my own and it made a big impact on family finances for a good while I can tell you.

There were many many more like me and I can say it was a very worrying time. It had an impact on our plans for a long time afterwards.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I get what you’re saying but for me the big change is I now have 60%ish better protection than I had on Monday but yes until they complete the program the risk is still there for me, and other risk groups, but we are less likely to catch it and if we do our bodies are at least partially primed to try and deal with it.

Yes I will still be under restrictions for some time yet, some self imposed, to minimise my risk and also to reduce my risk of spreading it, but I’ll take that rather than be totally unprotected

But how can it be a change? Vaccine or not you can carry the virus that means even with a 100% vaccine rate you will be exposed to it and given that even with the vaccine youre apparently still as infectious for the same length of time... literally nothing has changed except if/when you get it you have a 60% better chance of fighting it off. I really do see this vaccine "silver bullet" argument that the government are pushing to be very rose tinted glasses at this stage.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I was 35 years old when company i worked for went tits up in 1982/83 .
I had recently taken on a big mortgage at 12% or more and my daughter had just been born - do you know what help I got???? £32 a week plus 10p a week for my daughter.
30% of my earnings would have been heaven on earth
So it has not been all beer and skittles for us either.

Accounting for inflation that's about £497 a month
Today UC gives someone over 25 £409.89 a month

 

[Z4C_er]

At the the time there was massive unemployment and even worse in the North East it was not easy to find work .
Trust me I tried!

There was no work - my livelihood had been taken away through no fault of my own and it made a big impact on family finances for a good while I can tell you.

There were many many more like me and I can say it was a very worrying time. It had an impact on our plans for a long time afterwards.

I've been through two recessions as well. I had a mortgage and ended up washing cars at a car rental firm. But it paid the bills. On Friday nights I made sure I went out with my friends. I took along enough money for 1 alcoholic drink (like a beer) or two soft drinks. But I still made sure I went out.

 

[ronk]

I know what £500 a month buys now and know only to well what £32 a week bought then!
I’ve just applied a comparison tool and it shows:-



300% increase so my £128 would only be worth £384
Your £497 is well off the mark!

I remember the struggle as did many others at the time.

 

[ronk]

At the the time there was massive unemployment and even worse in the North East it was not easy to find work .
Trust me I tried!

There was no work - my livelihood had been taken away through no fault of my own and it made a big impact on family finances for a good while I can tell you.

There were many many more like me and I can say it was a very worrying time. It had an impact on our plans for a long time afterwards.

I've been through two recessions as well. I had a mortgage and ended up washing cars at a car rental firm. But it paid the bills. On Friday nights I made sure I went out with my friends. I took along enough money for 1 alcoholic drink (like a beer) or two soft drinks. But I still made sure I went out.

I had a spell out of work mid 70‘s as well - I had pals who were good an looked after my few beers I survived!
The thing I detested most was writing letters for jobs -Basildon Bond made a fortune out of me. The mistake was always made at the end of the letter - start again!

 

[Flyingfifer]

I know what £500 a month buys now and know only to well what £32 a week bought then!
I’ve just applied a comparison tool and it shows:-

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300% increase so my £128 would only be worth £384
Your £497 is well off the mark!

I remember the struggle as did many others at the time.

I used the Bank of England inflation calculator Clicky

£100 = £360.92 in 2020

£32 = £115.50 / 7days = £16.5 x 30days = £495 per month (£2 is from the 10p)

 

[ronk]

Ah! - I Remember how well off I was now

From bitter, personal experience tho, know I would rather be under today’s regime than 1982’s

 

[Argyll Andy]

I get what you’re saying but for me the big change is I now have 60%ish better protection than I had on Monday but yes until they complete the program the risk is still there for me, and other risk groups, but we are less likely to catch it and if we do our bodies are at least partially primed to try and deal with it.

Yes I will still be under restrictions for some time yet, some self imposed, to minimise my risk and also to reduce my risk of spreading it, but I’ll take that rather than be totally unprotected

But how can it be a change? Vaccine or not you can carry the virus that means even with a 100% vaccine rate you will be exposed to it and given that even with the vaccine youre apparently still as infectious for the same length of time... literally nothing has changed except if/when you get it you have a 60% better chance of fighting it off. I really do see this vaccine "silver bullet" argument that the government are pushing to be very rose tinted glasses at this stage.

It’s a change because I’m now 60% more protected/able to try and fight it off which is better than almost no chance and after my 2nd jag towards 90%

Another change to the government is that if I can fight it better there’s less chance of me becoming seriously ill that relieves the pressure on the NHS which is a benefit to everyone all round.

I seemingly can still carry it and transmit it but the more people who are vaccinated the less people who will catch it and have the risk becoming iller and needing hospital intervention.

It’ll still be floating around but the implications and seriousness of the consequences will diminish with each person who is vaccinated.

All of course in my opinion but as stated, I may be still as infectious if I come into contact with it but with increased protection less susceptible and that’s what’s important for me

 

[TitanTim]

I thought with the Oxford vaccine it's been proved now it's stops the virus being passed on which I would have thought will change everything and things should get back to normal sooner rather than later, I can't see why things shouldn't unless a new strain variant pops up that's more resistant.

Tim.

 

[Ole gits rule]

I thought the big unknown at the moment was how long the jab remained effective for?

 

[ronk]

I’ve had my jab - and I am now building up my immunity and looking forward to a relaxation of restrictions so I can get out and about a bit.
It takes a few weeks until full effect of jab one but it’s a step in the right direction for me and should coincide with the car going on the road at the start of April

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I had recently taken on a big mortgage at 12% or more and my daughter had just been born - do you know what help I got???? £32 a week plus 10p a week for my daughter.
30% of my earnings would have been heaven on earth
So it has not been all beer and skittles for us either.

That sucks mate. Sorry to hear that. It always goes pop when you are the most leveraged.

It wasn't a personal attack at you btw. I was just trying to portray a comparison for a more senior person comparing financial struggles.

 

[ProfCJJ]

I thought with the Oxford vaccine it's been proved now it's stops the virus being passed on which I would have thought will change everything and things should get back to normal sooner rather than later, I can't see why things shouldn't unless a new strain variant pops up that's more resistant.

Tim.

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission. With those odds the R number will fall quickly the more people are vaccinated.

I’m convinced in my case this is what has happened; my partner tested positive but is vaccinated, I’ve tested negative and neither of us have any symptoms ...

 

[ronk]

Oh I’m too long in the tooth to worry about that!

Things do have a habit of going tits up at the wrong time but most are able to get through fortunately.
I think the difference this time is we have had a shocking year but the inky fingers in the financial system seem to be be predicting positivity. Whereas in the early 80’a there seemed to be little positivity.

When I was forced to claim unemployment benefit my daughter who had been born a few months prior - it floored me when I was told I could claim 10p a week for her!
I told the clerk it wasn’t enough to buy a bag of crisps.

Fortunately we are now both well and truly retired and (fortunately) financially less vulnerable although we brace to be plundered to pay the governments debt.

 

[ronk]

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission. With those odds the R number will fall quickly the more people are vaccinated.

That is very reassuring to hear!

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Apparently this vaccine has shown a 67% mean rate of blocking transmission. With those odds the R number will fall quickly the more people are vaccinated.

Do we know what the level of transmission is for people who have had covid rather than the jab?

They have been very quiet about that.