The jab ..

[Z4C_er]

Has been clearly shown to be a nonsense

Just back this up.
And if you want some clarity from me, I'm asking for the 'clear studies' to be independent from any Pharma or Govt funding.
And just for my own education, why would you anonymise a paper that validates (or not) a drug that could be as important as a Covid vaccine?

 

[TitanTim]

Of course we could listen to the conspiracy theorists, doubters and every other fruit and nut that comes out of the woodwork who think they are experts on the subject and not bother with the vaccine and carry on watching more and more people die. I would like to think our Government wouldn't adopt that thinking.

I'm just grateful we have the science and minds in this day and age that have brought us a tested safe vaccine which means hopefully fast forward 12 months we will all be in a better place.

Tim.

 

[exdos]

And if you want some clarity from me, I'm asking for the 'clear studies' to be independent from any Pharma or Govt funding.
And just for my own education, why would you anonymise a paper that validates (or not) a drug that could be as important as a Covid vaccine?

A question: Who else is going to produce a vaccine other than a pharmaceutical company?

 

[Argyll Andy]

I'm just grateful we have the science and minds in this day and age that have brought us a tested safe vaccine which means hopefully fast forward 12 months we will all be in a better place.

Tim.

[ref]TitanTim[/ref],

Tim, this is exactly where I am, grateful I have the choice to weigh things up and make my own decision whether to take a vaccine when offered.

In my personal circumstances it’s definitely a yes as the other options don’t look so good for me.

Again, in my personal circumstances, some of my current problems, which resulted in shielding and being in the high risk category, were caused by unusual/rare prescribed medication complications over 10 years ago so I’m well aware that the doctors/scientists aren’t all seeing gods who can do no wrong, but.............. without taking these drugs at the time, which now have longer lasting implications, quite simply I’d have died.

So I’m treating the vaccine the same way, yes there may be complications, yes I may be unlucky to take a reaction to it but on the same note it will offer me a level of protection that my body is never going to provide itself so I’ll take the calculated risk and receive it.

What I do hope is that anyone who turns it down through choice, which they are as entitled to do as much as I am to take it, doesn’t end up really ill, or worse having some sort of longer term issues as a result

 

[ronk]

It’s very clear to me and probably many others that no amount of debate will convince the anti vax brigade otherwise.

 

[Crazy Harry]

Has been clearly shown to be a nonsense

Just back this up.
And if you want some clarity from me, I'm asking for the 'clear studies' to be independent from any Pharma or Govt funding.
And just for my own education, why would you anonymise a paper that validates (or not) a drug that could be as important as a Covid vaccine?

Having submitted research papers for publication - in a totally different knowledge area I must add! I think ProfCJJ is referring to the process where the results are checked /read before publishing to the wide world. You don't know who is checking / criticising your work - so you can't lean on them. Those checking don't know whose work it is so they can't give their mates and easy time! - and believe me most are out to give you a hard time because you've often done what they were trying to do before them and it makes them very sharp in criticism.

I was always please to get peer approval for a paper because it meant that all the others doing a similar thing didn't find any issues with my work. There not about Covid as such but had to say.

 

[TitanTim]

I'm just grateful we have the science and minds in this day and age that have brought us a tested safe vaccine which means hopefully fast forward 12 months we will all be in a better place.

Tim.

Tim, this is exactly where I am, grateful I have the choice to weigh things up and make my own decision whether to take a vaccine when offered.

In my personal circumstances it’s definitely a yes as the other options don’t look so good for me.

Again, in my personal circumstances, some of my current problems, which resulted in shielding and being in the high risk category, were caused by unusual/rare prescribed medication complications over 10 years ago so I’m well aware that the doctors/scientists aren’t all seeing gods who can do no wrong, but.............. without taking these drugs at the time, which now have longer lasting implications, quite simply I’d have died.

So I’m treating the vaccine the same way, yes there may be complications, yes I may be unlucky to take a reaction to it but on the same note it will offer me a level of protection that my body is never going to provide itself so I’ll take the calculated risk and receive it.

What I do hope is that anyone who turns it down through choice, which they are as entitled to do as much as I am to take it, doesn’t end up really ill, or worse having some sort of longer term issues as a result

Partly the angle I'm coming from, its the people with underlying health issues the vaccine provides the greatest hope for otherwise take your chances but for alot of people they will want to stay locked away eternally living in fear if no vaccine was forthcoming

End of the day I appreciate its a freedom of choice whether you take the vaccine or not.

Tim.

 

[M1k3yC]

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Overlooked and underrated reply!

 

[Z4C_er]

It’s very clear to me and probably many others that no amount of debate will convince the anti vax brigade otherwise.

And it's also very clear to me that any amount of information that is presented to you will not change your blinkered vanilla view of the world. Enjoy your blue pill. The Government will do everything for you, companies will only work with your best interests at heart, and your taxes are being distributed to all the correct places. Keep watching the BBC and Disney channel.

 

[john-e89]

It’s very clear to me and probably many others that no amount of debate will convince the anti vax brigade otherwise.

And it's also very clear to me that any amount of information that is presented to you will not change your blinkered vanilla view of the world. Enjoy your blue pill. The Government will do everything for you, companies will only work with your best interests at heart, and your taxes are being distributed to all the correct places. Keep watching the BBC and Disney channel.

Oooofff...! Bit harsh...!

Anyhoo, quick question out of interest, nothing more Z4C....as far as I know there’s not a single GP that has shouted out not to have this vaccine, there’s no way they haven’t done a risk assessment, so where do stand on that..? Not being provocative, I just find it a bit of a head scratcher.

 

[Z4C_er]

What I do hope is that anyone who turns it down through choice, which they are as entitled to do as much as I am to take it, doesn’t end up really ill, or worse having some sort of longer term issues as a result

And thank you. I want to have the choice. It's my choice, and I'll cop it if I get it. I suspect what will happen just as now, if you get Covid symptoms, you'll just be told to stay at home with your family for 2 weeks. You'll only make it to hospital if you're in the 'at risk' group.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Its fascinating that when someone in their 30s with a 99%+ chance of survival says no thanks to a vaccine that has been rushed through testing to a degree never seen before they are nothing but a dumb anti-vaxer

I've happily taken every single vacation throughout my life because I had faith that they were properly tested and safe, this one not so much. Didnt realise that made me the antichrist :roll:

 

[john-e89]

Any doubters want to answer my GP question at last....? :lol:

Asked it a while ago and nothing.... :?

 

[Z4C_er]

It’s very clear to me and probably many others that no amount of debate will convince the anti vax brigade otherwise.

And it's also very clear to me that any amount of information that is presented to you will not change your blinkered vanilla view of the world. Enjoy your blue pill. The Government will do everything for you, companies will only work with your best interests at heart, and your taxes are being distributed to all the correct places. Keep watching the BBC and Disney channel.

Oooofff...! Bit harsh...!

Anyhoo, quick question out of interest, nothing more Z4C....as far as I know there’s not a single GP that has shouted out not to have this vaccine, there’s no way they haven’t done a risk assessment, so where do stand on that..? Not being provocative, I just find it a bit of a head scratcher.

I get wound up being called an anti-vaxxer when I'm not. I think a lot of what is going on has been poorly managed, and there is a lot going on which in my mind, stinks to high heaven. There are many-many wesites that I have seen over the years that have spoken out then been shut down. Or in the case of Brandy Vaughan, found dead
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13429512/brandy-vaughan-anti-vaccination-dead/amp/
https://www.newsweek.com/police-probe-sudden-death-anti-vaccine-activist-1554784
Ronk won't want to read this....
...or this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48377232

Now, to your question. I doubt very much that every Doctor has done their own risk assessment. They have been given Government guidelines and been told that a vaccine is being rolled out and they are to administer it. Do you think your local GP is going to set up clinical trials? Not a rhetorical question, a genuine one. Why not ask your local GP how they handle this?
Back to a point I made yesterday. To whomever out there will get their 'jab' and is in the least bit curious, ask the person who is about to vaccinate you "if this goes tits-up, who can I sue?". I will be very interested to hear what they say.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Any doubters want to answer my GP question at last....? :lol:

Asked it a while ago and nothing.... :?

The policy of the NHS is that the vaccine is safe and should be taken. GPs dont conduct independent risk assessments on every drug they prescribe.
That's no different to the myriad of drugs that have been marked as safe then prescribed by GPs to be later realised they are in fact not safe. This isnt the GPs fault, it's not necessarily even the manufacturers fault, testing can only go so far, when something is out in the wild it will encounter things that werent accounted for

 

[john-e89]

And it's also very clear to me that any amount of information that is presented to you will not change your blinkered vanilla view of the world. Enjoy your blue pill. The Government will do everything for you, companies will only work with your best interests at heart, and your taxes are being distributed to all the correct places. Keep watching the BBC and Disney channel.

Oooofff...! Bit harsh...!

Anyhoo, quick question out of interest, nothing more Z4C....as far as I know there’s not a single GP that has shouted out not to have this vaccine, there’s no way they haven’t done a risk assessment, so where do stand on that..? Not being provocative, I just find it a bit of a head scratcher.

I get wound up being called an anti-vaxxer when I'm not. I think a lot of what is going on has been poorly managed, and there is a lot going on which in my mind, stinks to high heaven. There are many-many wesites that I have seen over the years that have spoken out then been shut down. Or in the case of Brandy Vaughan, found dead
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13429512/brandy-vaughan-anti-vaccination-dead/amp/
https://www.newsweek.com/police-probe-sudden-death-anti-vaccine-activist-1554784
Ronk won't want to read this....
...or this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48377232

Now, to your question. I doubt very much that every Doctor has done their own risk assessment. They have been given Government guidelines and been told that a vaccine is being rolled out and they are to administer it. Do you think your local GP is going to set up clinical trials? Not a rhetorical question, a genuine one. Why not ask your local GP how they handle this?
Back to a point I made yesterday. To whomever out there will get their 'jab' and is in the least bit curious, ask the person who is about to vaccinate you "if this goes tits-up, who can I sue?". I will be very interested to hear what they say.

I don’t know for sure obvs but I can’t for the life of me think every GP in this country has just taken what the Govt’ has given them and acted on it with no risk assessment or research of their own...that’s just not possible.

Me personally I’m not calling you guys anything, it’s your choice as I’ve always said, I don’t agree but that’s not the point, but you’re going against every single GP in this country....you trust them with pretty much everything else yes..? They don’t always get it right, god knows I know that from my experience, just one at a very good surgery generally, do you question every and research every drug you’re given...?

Your choice guys, I’m just curious is all.

 

[john-e89]

Any doubters want to answer my GP question at last....? :lol:

Asked it a while ago and nothing.... :?

The policy of the NHS is that the vaccine is safe and should be taken. GPs dont conduct independent risk assessments on every drug they prescribe.
That's no different to the myriad of drugs that have been marked as safe then prescribed by GPs to be later realised they are in fact not safe. This isnt the GPs fault, it's not necessarily even the manufacturers fault, testing can only go so far, when something is out in the wild it will encounter things that werent accounted for

Fair point....

Refer to my GP risk assessment bit above if you can be bothered.... :lol:

 

[Bottom]

Back to a point I made yesterday. To whomever out there will get their 'jab' and is in the least bit curious, ask the person who is about to vaccinate you "if this goes tits-up, who can I sue?". I will be very interested to hear what they say.

If the vaccine was provided under NHS regulations by an NHS practitioner, then you'd sue the Practitioner, who would be mostly covered under Crown Indemnity, basically the Government under writes any legal settlement.

If it wasn't done under NHS then you'd again sue the practitioner, assuming they were a doctor or dentist then they would have private insurance against such a scenario. This insurance is usually covered by something called a Defence Union, which has a very large sum of money put aside to settle against claims. These Defence Unions for sure will have had their experts looking at the vaccines, since they'd be on the hook for a lot of money if they were negligent in approving them.

 

[Argyll Andy]

testing can only go so far, when something is out in the wild it will encounter things that werent accounted for

This is exactly what I was referring to in my earlier post. I was given 3 different drugs that singly were in long term, regular use by millions and in and deemed safe individually and know to cause little or no issues.

Given the constantly changing problems that my undiagnosed illness was throwing up on a daily basis I was prescribed these 3 things at the one time. Once in my system after a period of time the individual ingredients combined and had a chemical reaction creating a toxin which has caused lifelong chronic health problems.

This hadn’t been seen before as it was almost unheard of for these 3 things to be prescribed to one person at the same time. It took my very experienced Consultants quite some time to work out what was causing a completely unrelated illness and what had happened.

Do I blame my health care professionals, absolutely not, do I blame the drugs companies, absolutely not. Not amount of testing would likely have recreated my perfect storm. But as stated in my previous post the initial help I got from taking these 3 drugs kept me alive at the time, later complications are just something I live with

That’s also what I meant about my hope that anyone who turns it down doesn’t suffer from any long term issues as that’s the real PITA as I can personally attest to

 

[exdos]

Ronk won't want to read this....
...or this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48377232

Oh, come on! As a taxpayer funded organisation, the NHS is considered "fair game" by every supplier to the service: it's not just the pharmaceutical companies, it's the construction firms, equipment suppliers, staff agencies, IT developers etc. etc. The list is endless.