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mgrlane said:mr wilks said:
People won't want to read that. It's against the narrative.
Lock us all up- throw away the key!
Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
john-e89 said:Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
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john-e89 said:mgrlane said:mr wilks said:
People won't want to read that. It's against the narrative.
Lock us all up- throw away the key!
Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
I don't have a bike John.
mgrlane said:john-e89 said:mgrlane said:People won't want to read that. It's against the narrative.
Lock us all up- throw away the key!
Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
I don't have a bike John.
Do you have a white shark....? :lol:
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john-e89 said:mgrlane said:john-e89 said:Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
I don't have a bike John.
Do you have a white shark....? :lol:
I have got a rabbits foot? :?
john-e89 said:
Or a horses arse.......................
mr wilks said:
If the "truth" is being suppressed by the proliferation of a false narrative, which has overblown the Coronavirus pandemic into something far bigger than the reality of the situation, who is responsible for the misinformation and what is the reason why we are all being fed misinformation/propaganda about Coronavirus?
mgrlane said:mr wilks said:
People won't want to read that. It's against the narrative.
Lock us all up- throw away the key!
For me the narrative should be that this is a very infectious virus that is capable of killing millions of people. At the moment its worse effects are heavily skewed towards the elderly and/or those with underlying health conditions. There is no guarantee that it won't evolve into a version that affects younger generations or one that undermines the efficacy of current vaccines. Given all that I think we need to bear down on it as hard as we can and eliminate it asap. Trying to convice ourselves otherwise is short sighted in my opinion.
The decision to prioritise first doses seems to make a lot of sense given the spiralling case rates.
You mean the sensible ones that manage to fall off ladders and get run over by buses.john-e89 said:mgrlane said:mr wilks said:
People won't want to read that. It's against the narrative.
Lock us all up- throw away the key!
Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
Stevo1987 said:You mean the sensible ones that manage to fall off ladders and get run over by buses.john-e89 said:mgrlane said:People won't want to read that. It's against the narrative.
Lock us all up- throw away the key!
Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
I wasn’t on the ladder wearing size 20 clown feet, swigging neat vodka from the bottle and learning how to Irish dance up there Steveo....... :roll: Ladder with a stand off strapped to it, feet in gravel, strap on the wall so it didn’t go over.....bar not going up the bastard at all I don’t think there’s much more I could have done.... :lol:
And I’ve never been run over by a bus......
The bus was me....john-e89 said:Stevo1987 said:You mean the sensible ones that manage to fall off ladders and get run over by buses.john-e89 said:Absolutely....this is all a false leg pull. Ride your motorbike without a helmet, ditch the flu jab, go and swim with a 20ft white shark with a bloody horses arse strapped to your waist, don’t have the jab, don’t bother with a mask, don’t wash your hands and ignore it....it’s fine....nothing is happening.
Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
I wasn’t on the ladder wearing size 20 clown feet, swigging neat vodka from the bottle and learning how to Irish dance up there Steveo....... :roll: Ladder with a stand off strapped to it, feet in gravel, strap on the wall so it didn’t go over.....bar not going up the bastard at all I don’t think there’s much more I could have done.... :lol:
And I’ve never been run over by a bus......
ronk said:
Just a smidgen different situation, seatbelts weren't concocted in a lab in a hurry and rushed through clinical trials and then injected into your body. :roll:
john-e89 said:
And again, more false equivalences, maybe if you are a 65 year old obese diabetic with asthma those would be fair examples.
john-e89 said:Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
Ahhhh this old chestnut, so based on that logic anyone at all who has made a personal choice that in some way influences their health should not be treated?
So don't treat anyone who:
Drinks
Smokes
Eats unhealthily
Doesn't exercise enough
Is too fat
Is too thin
Has ever been sunburnt
Had any kind of accident where they were doing something they didn't have to do.....
Come on ffs
I’ll start off by saying I’ll be having the vaccine, only so that some version of normal life can resume. Im in my 40s, so I know that won’t be for a while!
However.......my mum and dad are in their late 60’s, both with underlying health conditions. My mum has been shielding to an extreme level. I called it over the top and excessive but she has sarcoidosis and was told to shield, so that is what she has done....since March. She was convinced she would die if she got it
So just before Christmas, she called to say she wasn’t feeling herself, she always has a slight cough (normal with sarcoidosis) but had developed a mild cold.
She decided to book a Covid test as the anxiety of wondering if she had covid or not, was awful. She had to lie on the form at the testing centre, as she had none of the three “classic” symptoms.
To all of our amazement, she had Covid 19. It remains a mystery as she hasn’t come into contact with anyone other than my dad.
My dads test, however, was negative.
So seven days after the first test, they both had a further test, which again came back with the same results. Positive for mum and negative for dad
The strange thing is, my mum had the cold symptoms for a week before getting a test. My parents share a house/bed/etc etc. My dad has health issues but has either had the virus with no symptoms or by some miracle, managed to dodge all of the droplets my mum has breathed out at night, or the items around the house they both touch.
There’s no doubting it can kill and can be very dangerous for some. However, I believe many, many more people have actually already had it, with no symptoms or mild, cold type symptoms.
I think the relentless, wall to wall media coverage of Covid, Brexit and ISIS, previously, that seems to have the purpose of whipping up mass hysteria, means it’s hard for many people to know what to believe.
I can sympathise with both sides of the fence, those that are worried and in an at-risk category and those that don’t trust the narrative / a rushed vaccine.
However.......my mum and dad are in their late 60’s, both with underlying health conditions. My mum has been shielding to an extreme level. I called it over the top and excessive but she has sarcoidosis and was told to shield, so that is what she has done....since March. She was convinced she would die if she got it
So just before Christmas, she called to say she wasn’t feeling herself, she always has a slight cough (normal with sarcoidosis) but had developed a mild cold.
She decided to book a Covid test as the anxiety of wondering if she had covid or not, was awful. She had to lie on the form at the testing centre, as she had none of the three “classic” symptoms.
To all of our amazement, she had Covid 19. It remains a mystery as she hasn’t come into contact with anyone other than my dad.
My dads test, however, was negative.
So seven days after the first test, they both had a further test, which again came back with the same results. Positive for mum and negative for dad
The strange thing is, my mum had the cold symptoms for a week before getting a test. My parents share a house/bed/etc etc. My dad has health issues but has either had the virus with no symptoms or by some miracle, managed to dodge all of the droplets my mum has breathed out at night, or the items around the house they both touch.
There’s no doubting it can kill and can be very dangerous for some. However, I believe many, many more people have actually already had it, with no symptoms or mild, cold type symptoms.
I think the relentless, wall to wall media coverage of Covid, Brexit and ISIS, previously, that seems to have the purpose of whipping up mass hysteria, means it’s hard for many people to know what to believe.
I can sympathise with both sides of the fence, those that are worried and in an at-risk category and those that don’t trust the narrative / a rushed vaccine.
dans6490 said:
Couldnt agree more with the whole post
There is also some issues with the testing, Elon Musk took 4 tests in one day, 2 came back positive, 2 came back negative. The tests themselves have been giving both false positives and false negatives.
I'm all for people being vaccinated should they so choose, but given the (theoretically) incredibly insignificant threat it poses to me I wont be rushing out to have the vaccine, I am quite happy to wait 6-12months and see how it pans out which, coincidentally, is less time that it would likely take for me to be offered it. :roll:
Flyingfifer said:ronk said:
Just a smidgen different situation, seatbelts weren't concocted in a lab in a hurry and rushed through clinical trials and then injected into your body. :roll:
john-e89 said:
And again, more false equivalences, maybe if you are a 65 year old obese diabetic with asthma those would be fair examples.
john-e89 said:Only don't expect to be treated when you fall off your bike and crack your head open, bleed to death when Deep blue, the largest known white alive bites you in half, and tough luck when you can’t breathe with the virus....you’re on your own as the NHS has sensible people to treat.
Ahhhh this old chestnut, so based on that logic anyone at all who has made a personal choice that in some way influences their health should not be treated?
So don't treat anyone who:
Drinks
Smokes
Eats unhealthily
Doesn't exercise enough
Is too fat
Is too thin
Has ever been sunburnt
Had any kind of accident where they were doing something they didn't have to do.....
Come on ffs
I 100% agree that people have a choice, for eg, in normal circumstances I’ll go for a meaningless drive in a 3 litre twin turbo car, that’s a risk, and if I crash I’d like to be treated. Same goes for rock climbing, motorbike riding, whatever floats your boat in recreation, you can’t put a line on acceptable or not, you have to allow everything. However, if you drive without a seat belt, rock climb without a rope, ride a motorbike without a helmet, that’s pretty questionable imho. As for smoking, you pay in taxes on a packet of fags, same goes for food etc, etc. You pay nothing for covid, eg, I pay the same as mgarlane that won’t have it, so I’m doing my level best to protect myself and therefore the NHS, same goes for using sensible gear if you’re doing something other than sitting in your armchair all day, which isn’t good either, but eg, wearing a life vest on a boat, I pay the same as mgarlane. Smoking is now thankfully banned in public places, it’s not harming anyone but the smoker and the NHS that is hopefully getting funding to pay for the treatment in taxes for people daft enough to smoke. We all know the covid risks, yes tbh I’d be voting for a tax on people that don’t have the vaccine, it’s their choice but they need to pay for it given the risks involved as their actions have an effect on everyone.
john-e89 said:
You wont pay anywhere near enough tax on fags to cover the costs of a long term lung cancer treatment/life preservation so if that's the case then me, as a never smoker, I should have the right to call for you to be taxed extra for being a smoker?
Also we don't know the long term effects of this vaccine yet (hence this whole issue) say, god forbid, it gives you diabetes or causes some debilitation that requires long term NHS care, should you be taxed more because you took the thing and it was your own choice? Why should the people that didn't take the vaccine pay for you? Should we just let the poor or disabled die because they haven't been able to pay enough tax to afford to be treated for whatever ails them? In fact why don't we just scrap the lot and pay for our own healthcare and screw everyone else?
The whole basis of your argument screams of a sanctimonious hubris.
Flyingfifer said:
I don’t smoke....I’m not that stupid.
What are you getting so irate for...? Calm the f**k down...!
I’m assuming you know why we have taxes...? have you any idea how much is paid in taxes for the health service and then not taken by people that don’t get ill...? Enough is paid to care for cancer patients, we just don’t have a cure yet, that’s nothing to do with money, do you really think cancer wouldn’t have been taken care of by now if it was possible...? It all goes in a pot, to be distributed where needed, and if you don’t need it fine, good for you, but you’ve still paid for it. Tbh I’ll take what the scientists say about the vaccine over a chap that has no evidence to back his claims up by grasping an illness out of the air like diabetes. All the evidence says the vaccine is safe, save for a very few that will have side effects, that’s life I’m afraid, I could be one of them and I’ll take whatever it throws at me when the time comes I get it. Do you agree with letting people smoke in public again..? The risks of smoking are known, it affects more than the smoker, same with covid.
john-e89 said:
Rest assured I'm far from irate
it would be a stretch to say I'm even mildly miffed At no point have I argued for people not to have the vaccine, I have simply stated that I will hold off and am in no rush to get it, which, at the risk of being presumptuous, is more or less the position of the other folks that have said they are wary and will wait.
My argument is one of personal choice, if you fear the virus, get the vaccine, if you dont really then feel free to wait or not have it at all. Whereas yours, as far as you have articulated it, is one of take the vaccine or you're (in effect) a bad person/idiot/shouldn't be treated by the NHS :roll: