The jab ..

[ronk]

Well the Oxford vaccine is good to go too so that’s another tick imho......get that needle in my arm ASAP.

Is the 2nd dose of the Oxford jab going to be delayed?

 

[john-e89]

Well the Oxford vaccine is good to go too so that’s another tick imho......get that needle in my arm ASAP.

Is the 2nd dose of the Oxford jab going to be delayed?

Not as far as I know Ronk. 100million doses ordered enough for 50million people, jabs start this Monday.

I imagine you’ll be getting the call up fairly soon.

 

[pvr]

I hope I can chose to get the Pfizer one though, have more trust into that one.

 

[Stevo1987]

I hope I can chose to get the Pfizer one though, have more trust into that one.

You get what you are given.

 

[pvr]

I hope I can chose to get the Pfizer one though, have more trust into that one.

You get what you are given.

I know that is what they will try, especially as they kept mentioning the price of it being cheaper.

But that is like Lipitor - there are many generic ones, but they always have more side effects and are not as good.

Don't mind paying extra to get the "real deal" though.

 

[Argyll Andy]

I hope I can chose to get the Pfizer one though, have more trust into that one.

After watching a news item on the Oxford one I hope so too.

MY interpretation of what I’ve seen is that the Oxford one gives 70% protection? compared to Pfizer’s 95% but that will not allow people in higher risk categories (like me) to reduce their restrictions any, and we may still be asked to shield etc but very useful for “normal” population as it’ll build up the “general” immunity leading to an overall reduction in spread/infection rates.

I, like you, would pay if need be for the Pfizer one to increase my protection rate to the maximum available, but............ if the Oxford one is all that’s offered I’ll be taking the offer up immediately it’s offered

 

[TitanTim]

I'm sure I've heard it will take upto 12 months to get everyone who wants the jab to be done so I would imagine most will get the Oxford vaccine as it can be rolled more quickly with less storage issues and as said its cheaper plus I think there can be up to 12 weeks between Jabs 1 and 2 which will help with staggering rollout.

I agree you will get what you get, I would be very surprised if flashing your wallet will make any difference, they won't have time with all of that unless of course your of nobility or your surname starts with T and ends in P. If you're of the conspiracy type you will be injected with water if you are lucky :wink:

Tim.

 

[john-e89]

Apparently the Oxford so far is about 62% effective, the best flu jab available being 50% for comparison. Also comparing the Pfizer effectiveness with it is not good as the trials were carried out differently so hard to compare. The Oxford jab is said to be safe though. I’m going on the BBC’s news but I guess it’s pretty accurate...? Even by the British biased corporations standards.... :roll:

 

[ronk]

I just hope that it can be proven that those who take the jab will then not spread the dreaded lurgy to others - the virus might then disappear with less places to go?

I’m sure that scenario would be appreciated by the anti vax brigade.

 

[john-e89]

I hope I can chose to get the Pfizer one though, have more trust into that one.

What’s making you think that Paul out of interest...?

 

[Stevo1987]

I just hope that it can be proven that those who take the jab will then not spread the dreaded lurgy to other - the virus might disappear?

I’m sure that scenario would be appreciated by the anti vax brigade.

From what I have read there is no guarantee of that.

 

[pvr]

I hope I can chose to get the Pfizer one though, have more trust into that one.

What’s making you think that Paul out of interest...?

Having worked with the company for 22 years and knowing their processes intimately, as well of what I know of AZ (probably more biased as that info has always come from newsletters) + the way the trials were messed up with AZ, had to be stopped, accidental misdosage applications and so on.

I can understand the government thinking though, an easier to transport and cheaper product for the masses where there may be some casualities on the way is still better than a generic pandemic. However, I will strongly resist that one and will pay for the Pfizer one as I am sure there will be a (new) private market for that, as there is with every single other vaccination.

 

[ronk]

I just hope that it can be proven that those who take the jab will then not spread the dreaded lurgy to other - the virus might disappear?

I’m sure that scenario would be appreciated by the anti vax brigade.

From what I have read there is no guarantee of that.

That was my understanding - being selfish though, if the anti vax brigade want to take the risk then it’s their risk to take I suppose.

 

[TitanTim]

I just hope that it can be proven that those who take the jab will then not spread the dreaded lurgy to other - the virus might disappear?

I’m sure that scenario would be appreciated by the anti vax brigade.

From what I have read there is no guarantee of that.

I would have thought if you have the vaccine you can still catch the virus but your immune system is better trained to fight it so less likely to become ill, however I imagine you can still pass the virus on but if the other person is vaccinated as well then less likely people becoming ill and requiring hospital treatment, all the more reason to take the vaccine up I would have thought. Going on from this as it's not known how long the vaccine is effective for then I can see a yearly booster like the flu jab.

Of course there will be those that might say why should you receive preferential hospital treatment if it's known you have refused the vaccine :?

Tim.

 

[Stevo1987]

I just hope that it can be proven that those who take the jab will then not spread the dreaded lurgy to other - the virus might disappear?

I’m sure that scenario would be appreciated by the anti vax brigade.

From what I have read there is no guarantee of that.

I would have thought if you have the vaccine you can still catch the virus but your immune system is better trained to fight it so less likely to become ill, however I imagine you can still pass the virus on but if the other person is vaccinated as well then then less likely people becoming ill and requiring hospital treatment, all the more reason to take the vaccine up I would have thought. Going on from this as it's not known how long the vaccine is effective for then I can see a yearly booster like the flu jab.

Of course there will be those that might say why should you receive preferential hospital treatment if it's known you have refused the vaccine :?

Tim.

I don't think the NHS is selective in who they treat.
Anyway Hancock has said this....... When might restrictions be loosened?
In the Commons, SNP MP Martyn Day asks if the government plans to loosen restrictions only when the most vulnerable have been vaccinated or when a significant proportion of the whole population has.

Matt Hancock says the government has not set this out yet - but its general approach is to vaccinate as many vulnerable people as possible, as soon as possible.

He says the exact timing of restrictions being lifted depends on the rollout of the vaccine and the impact it has on bringing down the rate of transmission.

 

[john-e89]

I hope I can chose to get the Pfizer one though, have more trust into that one.

What’s making you think that Paul out of interest...?

Having worked with the company for 22 years and knowing their processes intimately, as well of what I know of AZ (probably more biased as that info has always come from newsletters) + the way the trials were messed up with AZ, had to be stopped, accidental misdosage applications and so on.

I can understand the government thinking though, an easier to transport and cheaper product for the masses where there may be some casualities on the way is still better than a generic pandemic. However, I will strongly resist that one and will pay for the Pfizer one as I am sure there will be a (new) private market for that, as there is with every single other vaccination.

So do you think the Oxford one is not safe...?

 

[TitanTim]

From what I have read there is no guarantee of that.

I would have thought if you have the vaccine you can still catch the virus but your immune system is better trained to fight it so less likely to become ill, however I imagine you can still pass the virus on but if the other person is vaccinated as well then then less likely people becoming ill and requiring hospital treatment, all the more reason to take the vaccine up I would have thought. Going on from this as it's not known how long the vaccine is effective for then I can see a yearly booster like the flu jab.

Of course there will be those that might say why should you receive preferential hospital treatment if it's known you have refused the vaccine :?

Tim.

I don't think the NHS is selective in who they treat.
Anyway Hancock has said this....... When might restrictions be loosened?
In the Commons, SNP MP Martyn Day asks if the government plans to loosen restrictions only when the most vulnerable have been vaccinated or when a significant proportion of the whole population has.

Matt Hancock says the government has not set this out yet - but its general approach is to vaccinate as many vulnerable people as possible, as soon as possible.

He says the exact timing of restrictions being lifted depends on the rollout of the vaccine and the impact it has on bringing down the rate of transmission.

Will be interesting to see how that pans out :? if anything the Gov't will want to get the populas vaccinated as fast as possible whilst not wanting to hold onto the tiered system, local lockdowns etc to get the economy going again. It would make sense it many ways to maybe ease restictions once certain age groups have been vaccinated say 50 plus, below this age then ease restrictions.

Tim.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

A timely feature in todays DM relevant to how this thread is evolving :wink:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9097075/ROSS-CLARK-startling-pandemic-facts-WONT-hear-ministers-shutting-Britain-down.html

People won't want to read that. It's against the narrative.

Lock us all up- throw away the key!

 

[TitanTim]

Oh well in tier 4 now :|

Happy days

Tim.

 

[Stevo1987]

Oh well in tier 4 now :|

Happy days

Tim.

Well, at least Brexit got done.