The jab ..

[maxman]

[ref]JamieZ4C[/ref], [ref]Flyingfifer[/ref],

I have amended both posts! Sorry about that. I am as confused as you on this one :?

Probably affected by the virus you don’t know you have. :lol:

 

[JamieZ4C]

[ref]JamieZ4C[/ref], [ref]Flyingfifer[/ref],

I have amended both posts! Sorry about that. I am as confused as you on this one :?

No worries and thanks for sorting

 

[Anonymous]

Also there seems to be often a lack of deductive or connective logic.

Please point them out and explain why. I won't be offended.

Therefore I was asking, I thought politely, what the context of your recent extract and how did that relate to the issue of the merits of having a COVID vaccination

I a pro "it's your decision" for having a jab. I am actively encouraging my mother to have one. I won't be having one.

My point is that I am in a good age range (under 40) and have no medical conditions so I have more chance of killing myself than Covid killing me. That was my point. Sorry I thought it was clear hence why I thought you were on the windup.

Hello..the point I was making, which I'm guilty of, but my mitigating response is "I lost track over 18 pages of posts" was i couldn't see what the context of the extract was..

I now understand, and as you say the chances that you will die from Covid are low, your chances of clogging up the health service are higher, probably 10 to 100 times with either a hospital intervention or long covid..you may consider that an acceptable risk, I would counter that running the risk of clogging up the health service in the next few months for any easily avoidable reason is to be avoided.

Furthermore back to the thread, the fact is that vaccinations are done for the greater good of society as a whole, not for the individual.

 

[exdos]

the fact is that vaccinations are done for the greater good of society as a whole, not for the individual.

Amen to that.

A bit like insurance, where you pay a Premium and hope you never need to make a claim.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Also there seems to be often a lack of deductive or connective logic.

Please point them out and explain why. I won't be offended.

Therefore I was asking, I thought politely, what the context of your recent extract and how did that relate to the issue of the merits of having a COVID vaccination

I a pro "it's your decision" for having a jab. I am actively encouraging my mother to have one. I won't be having one.

My point is that I am in a good age range (under 40) and have no medical conditions so I have more chance of killing myself than Covid killing me. That was my point. Sorry I thought it was clear hence why I thought you were on the windup.

Hello..the point I was making, which I'm guilty of, but my mitigating response is "I lost track over 18 pages of posts" was i couldn't see what the context of the extract was..

I now understand, and as you say the chances that you will die from Covid are low, your chances of clogging up the health service are higher, probably 10 to 100 times with either a hospital intervention or long covid..you may consider that an acceptable risk, I would counter that running the risk of clogging up the health service in the next few months for any easily avoidable reason is to be avoided.

Furthermore back to the thread, the fact is that vaccinations are done for the greater good of society as a whole, not for the individual.

I understand.

I see there is a risk of me going to hospital but I don't know what the chance of it is. I would guess it's a very small possibility- things would have to go terribly wrong for this to be the case. But it's a possibility none the less.

I might even have already had the virus (is it 30% of people that are asymptomatic?) I did have the flu around April/May time so who knows.

It really depends I guess how far you want to go with this- we all know people who have lifestyle choices that put them as a heavy risk on the NHS. Ironically these are now the people who are at most risk from the virus too (smokers, overweight people etc).

Does the Jab stop long covid? And what is "long covid"- we don't really know what it is as the virus is still new. As with the vaccine we don't know the long term effects of this either.

All we can say about the jab is it stopped people from getting seriously ill and dieing from covid.

I am going to put my neck out there and back my immune system to do the above for me.

 

[Anonymous]

mgrlane..

Your logic is again that off the enlightend individual that 'knows enough/better' to take an informed decision..

An analogy is going through security at an airport, I as a former CEO of an airline know that carrying forbidden items could be dangerous to the aircraft, its crew and passengers..I also know as a person who has managed dangerous goods that the penknife I'm carrying is not going to be used to threaten the crew.. therefore I should not have to declare this knife and should be excused from inspection. I've made an informed decision. I'm not sure that the rest of the passengers would agree with that thought process.

Or your logic is " the risk is small I'll take my chances".. however you have still not addressed the point that if 67 million people adopted that logic there would be several hundred thousand covid related complications cluttering up the hospitals and associated medical professionals..

If you accepted that lockdowns could not last forever, if you open up for a free for all then major parts of the population would get infected in short order and a small but signifcant percentage would need significant medical intervention. even the younger ones.

Therefore (and I'm not being personal) is that your act of self determination is selfish and when taken by many is to the detriment of society as a whole. Kind of like saying I'm not paying income tax cause today I don't need a pension, a health service etc etc

 

[TitanTim]

Just putting human rights aside I just can't see why the Government can't round up all the antivaxers, flat earth nutters and ship em off to some remote British colony island where they mull over their human rights to their hearts content :roll:

Tim.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

[ref]Pbondar[/ref],

I can't really add anything that I haven't said already in previous posts concerning my reasoning, my thoughts and feelings towards this.

I am not going to regurgitate them again.

I am can deal with you calling me selfish for not having the jab- it's all good.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Just putting human rights aside I just can't see why the Government can't round up all the antivaxers, flat earth nutters and ship em off to some remote British colony island where they mull over their human rights to their hearts content :roll:

Tim.

Yea man,

Let's round everyone up that has a difference of opinion from ourselves. Maybe pop them on a train to some kind of camp or something...

Wait, has this been done before!

 

[TitanTim]

Just putting human rights aside I just can't see why the Government can't round up all the antivaxers, flat earth nutters and ship em off to some remote British colony island where they mull over their human rights to their hearts content :roll:

Tim.

Yea man,

Let's round everyone up that has a difference of opinion from ourselves. Maybe pop them on a train to some kind of camp or something...

Wait, has this been done before!

Glad you agree

Tim.

 

[john-e89]

“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter”

Very true.

It is a lot easier to discredit someone and call them an anti-vaxxer than have a real conversation and debate and acknowledge facts that perhaps would make them otherwise uncomfortable. It's very easy to do and I find myself wanting to do it on occasions.

But without uncensored ideas out in the public domain which are open to debate there is no possibility of evolution of thoughts and ideas.

I truly hope you two don’t get the damn virus.

Likewise John, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If you look at the attached document you can see that 42 people in my age bracket have now died without a pre-existing medical condition in hospital with Covid as a symptom. Although any loss of life is tragic I suspect I will be alright.

For comparison over 100 people in the UK a day take their own lives with the under 45 males being the largest group at risk (this is not a cry for help btw).

The only fear I have of this virus is killing someone else and my peers and my business going bankrupt.

Nail on the head mgarlane....you ‘suspect’ you will be alright, my point in a nutshell my friend, you’re dicing with something that could have huge implications for you, not just death but life changing consequences. I promise I’m not being provocative but it seems to me you’re not taking this very seriously, I may be wrong but that’s how I read it. Anyhoo it’s your call as we know.

 

[Anonymous]

[ref]Pbondar[/ref],

I can't really add anything that I haven't said already in previous posts concerning my reasoning, my thoughts and feelings towards this.

I am not going to regurgitate them again.

I am can deal with you calling me selfish for not having the jab- it's all good.

Ah but the good news is that I haven't finished!

Further to my dissertation..

To quote Donald Rumsfeld

" there are unknowns unknowns"

ie you (in the non personal sense) may think you know enough to make a reasoned judgement but you may not..

For example.. by not participating in a program that would bring the severity and length of a pandemic to a close sooner than if everyone took your view, you (and your collective friends) are giving more opportunity for more virus mutations to arise..and then, maybe, one of those critters will particular like dining on juicy 35 year olds..then maybe not you but some of your friends will then squeal like stuck pigs..

I've now finished..

 

[ronk]

For example.. by not participating in a program that would bring the severity and length of a pandemic to a close sooner than if everyone took your view, you (and your collective friends) are giving more opportunity for more virus mutations to arise..and then, maybe, one of those critters will particular like dining on juicy 35 year olds..then maybe not you but some of your friends will then squeal like stuck pigs..

I've now finished..

Peter,
They won't be able to squeal with their lungs full of their own bodily fluids!
Penny to a pinch their reasoning to reject any medical intervention will soon change.

I despair when I read about modified DNA/ Zombie/ 5G /Tracking claptrap.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

[ref]Pbondar[/ref],

I can't really add anything that I haven't said already in previous posts concerning my reasoning, my thoughts and feelings towards this.

I am not going to regurgitate them again.

I am can deal with you calling me selfish for not having the jab- it's all good.

Ah but the good news is that I haven't finished!

Further to my dissertation..

To quote Donald Rumsfeld

" there are unknowns unknowns"

ie you (in the non personal sense) may think you know enough to make a reasoned judgement but you may not..

For example.. by not participating in a program that would bring the severity and length of a pandemic to a close sooner than if everyone took your view, you (and your collective friends) are giving more opportunity for more virus mutations to arise..and then, maybe, one of those critters will particular like dining on juicy 35 year olds..then maybe not you but some of your friends will then squeal like stuck pigs..

I've now finished..

Just want to check. We are all still talking about the virus that world over across all ages we have a 99.97% survival rate from?

Don't want to ruin your Xmas but wait until you find out that cancer kills 1 in 6 people. :dizzy:

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Peter,
They won't be able to squeal with their lungs full of their own bodily fluids!
Penny to a pinch their reasoning to reject any medical intervention will soon change.

I despair when I read about modified DNA/ Zombie/ 5G /Tracking claptrap.

Come on let's be serious here. I haven't mentioned any of this. I am simply making my decision on risk.

If trying to discredit makes is easier for you to digest someone else might have a different decision to you then I guess it's your prerogative.

 

[ronk]

I never suggested that you did - but earlier posts by other contributors did and thats what I find absolutely incredible

However I would still like someone to tell me in a simple one line why they won't be vaccinated tho.

ie I won't get the covid vaccination because ....................

 

[Anonymous]

Good news mgrlane..

Looks like the new South African particularly like younger people..the critter is coming for you..

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/12/covid-501-v2-mutant-strain-found-in-south-africa-is-more-severe-in-young-adults-world-new.html

 

[Anonymous]

[ref]Pbondar[/ref],

I can't really add anything that I haven't said already in previous posts concerning my reasoning, my thoughts and feelings towards this.

I am not going to regurgitate them again.

I am can deal with you calling me selfish for not having the jab- it's all good.

Ah but the good news is that I haven't finished!

Further to my dissertation..

To quote Donald Rumsfeld

" there are unknowns unknowns"

ie you (in the non personal sense) may think you know enough to make a reasoned judgement but you may not..

For example.. by not participating in a program that would bring the severity and length of a pandemic to a close sooner than if everyone took your view, you (and your collective friends) are giving more opportunity for more virus mutations to arise..and then, maybe, one of those critters will particular like dining on juicy 35 year olds..then maybe not you but some of your friends will then squeal like stuck pigs..

I've now finished..

Just want to check. We are all still talking about the virus that world over across all ages we have a 99.97% survival rate from?

Don't want to ruin your Xmas but wait until you find out that cancer kills 1 in 6 people. :dizzy:

We are all going to die sometime..what we are talking about is avoidable deaths..

Most cancers are at the time they create their destiny are not knowingly avoidable to the sufferer..

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Good news mgrlane..

Looks like the new South African particularly like younger people..the critter is coming for you..

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/12/covid-501-v2-mutant-strain-found-in-south-africa-is-more-severe-in-young-adults-world-new.html

"possibly more serious in young adults"

Great journalism that

 

[Z4C_er]

Good news mgrlane..

Looks like the new South African particularly like younger people..the critter is coming for you..

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/12/covid-501-v2-mutant-strain-found-in-south-africa-is-more-severe-in-young-adults-world-new.html

"possibly more serious in young adults"

Great journalism that

Wow, that means the survival rate could go from 99.9% to 99.8%