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ronk said:
Mhmm......... but its not used against you in anyway or used to control you or dictate what you can and cant do when it comes to just living your life.
ronk said:You aren’t going to be young forever- then what?
Then.. I'll.. be older? :idunno:
I'm not sure what you're getting at here?
Flyingfifer said:ronk said:
Mhmm......... but its not used against you in anyway or used to control you or dictate what you can and cant do when it comes to just living your life.
ronk said:You aren’t going to be young forever- then what?
Then.. I'll.. be older? :idunno:
I'm not sure what you're getting at here?
Try driving the shops without an insurance certificate
You will then be in a Queue for a vaccination and thankful of such a development
ronk said:
Ok, yep probably.... I still don't see the point you're trying to make? :lol:
Let me try this,
If I was 70 right now would I want to have the vaccine? Yes, but I wouldn't support the public shaming, tracking or labelling of those that didn't, primarily because them having the vaccine has absolutely zero impact on my safety or anyone else's it only effects that one person, as the vaccine does not prevent you from carrying and spreading the virus.
ronk said:
Another false equivalence, I understand what you're trying to do and why but you are completely misrepresenting the situation to paint it in a far better light.
Let me ask you this, what shouldn't you be allowed to do if you don't have the jab?
Holiday abroad? Ok that's fair, that's down to the country to make that choice
Holiday here? Not quite as easy to justify, will hotels require proof of vaccine before you're allowed to stay?
Go to the shop? Getting a bit risky now isnt it, will shops be checking your "covid pass" before allowing you into the building?
Work/travel on public transport/attend church? All of these could, using the same logic, be argued.
A logic which appears to be false, vaccine doesnt prevent you carrying and spreading the virus, it only gives you, the vaccine recipient protection no one else
Holiday abroad? Ok that's fair, that's down to the country to make that choice
Holiday here? Not quite as easy to justify, will hotels require proof of vaccine before you're allowed to stay?
Go to the shop? Getting a bit risky now isnt it, will shops be checking your "covid pass" before allowing you into the building?
Work/travel on public transport/attend church? All of these could, using the same logic, be argued.
A logic which appears to be false, vaccine doesnt prevent you carrying and spreading the virus, it only gives you, the vaccine recipient protection no one else
Some countries won't allow you in without proof of a yellow fever innoculation, so like it or not, more and more countries will jump on the bandwagon and demand proof of covid vaccination. If their low covid status is hard won, you can understand why. Unless you like staycations for the foreseeable, it puts the anti vaxxers in a difficult position. As far as wider uptake within this country, I think most would accept the temporary need to provide proof of vaccination for a limited range of activities. After all, during the war, everyone had to have an identity card, but that was abolished when the need ceased. The same could apply here - it is a war of a kind after all.
ronk said:
That's what's concerning
z4pilot said:
Yep and that is entirely up to that country I have no issue there however when it comes to something that isn't a choice it becomes a problem for me, the government mandated removal of freedom of movement/assembly/association is deeply concerning and akin to putting your head in a crocodiles mouth.
As someone who is happily vaccinated for a multitude of things by not keen on the C19 vaccine.... am I in the "AnTiVaXxErS" category?
ronk said:
That's the scientific version of "a'reckon"
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Flyingfifer said:
100% this.
I would add that I would feel exactly the same but would also add that I would certainly have a lot more compassion for the younger generations who have made such sacrifices to make me safer in my older years. I would also be very worried about the mass unemployment that will happen because of the incoming super recession/brexit/covid has created.
mgrlane said:
Agreed
This woman was 100% on the money
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ronk said:
From what she said probably fully protected and locked down until you have had the antivirus and could be free?
ronk said:
Well the economy probably would have continued far less disabled than it was which means that in December of last year borrowing wouldn't have been up by 470% (£34bn in one month) from the previous year, debt wouldnt be almost 100% of our GDP (the highest figure since 1962), Government tax income wouldnt have fallen by 7.8% (£39.6bn) in the 9 months to December while at the same time spending 30.7% (£169.3bn) more in the same period.
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That would probably be true if there had not been anything to get in the way of normality .
Even with restrictions the hospitals were full to busting - they were at breaking point - or was that only propaganda?
Something had to be done, some may not have liked nor agreed with the restrictions but there wasn’t a real alternative.
Even with restrictions the hospitals were full to busting - they were at breaking point - or was that only propaganda?
Something had to be done, some may not have liked nor agreed with the restrictions but there wasn’t a real alternative.
ronk said:
Well when looking at the statistics from the NHS of bed occupancy...
Q1 2019/20 - General & Acute
Beds Available: 101,565
Beds Occupied: 91,730
Percentage Occ: 90.3%
Q1 2020/21 - General & Acute
Beds Available: 92,559
Beds Occupied: 58,005
Percentage Occ: 62.7%
Q2 2019/20 - General & Acute
Beds Available: 100,370
Beds Occupied: 90,377
Percentage Occ: 90.0%
Q2 2020/21 - General & Acute
Beds Available: 94,787
Beds Occupied: 73,321
Percentage Occ: 77.4%
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