The jab..... an alternative.
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You didn't look very far.
Read the description of Dr Risingers video which I posted earlier where she has helpfully posted links.
Marik Protocol:
InVitro Ivermectin study:
Argentina Study:
France Nursing Home Study:
Egypt study:
Population study in Africa:
Epidemiological Data from Peru and other countries:
FLCCC summary statement on Ivermectin:
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Well done you for posting this.Chris_D said:
It's worth watching this video (link below) - from where your has been taken - to get an idea of how the large pharmaceutical companies (big pharma to most) are seemingly manipulating the narrative to suit their cause.
https://youtu.be/k8RyV3VEDKI
What's telling, is that this video is labelled as "anti-vaccine". Right from the start, the viewer is led to believe he's going to watch a video with a set ending. Like watching 'The sinking of the Bismarck' - you know what the movie is about. But this video is anything but that. These are not anti-vaxxers, they are professional and caring doctors that make an impassioned plea for understanding and reasoning to let them help people and save lives. You don't even have to watch the whole thing. Some of the Doctors themselves make the remark about how being called 'anti-vaxxers' is such a kick in the face.
Thanks very much, I missed the links, read some of the comments and assumed it was a conspiracy theory nut job. I also managed to spell it as Invermectin on my medline search :headbang:
Having looked at the studies, here's what I think. I'm not an epidemiologist but I do have a Master's in Public Health.
The Argentina study looks promising, however the result is worse than the projected resistance via vaccination. 20% of active cohort tested positive. We also don't know from that how long the protection will last. Finally the prophylactic regime was quite time consuming to administer compared to vaccination and would be very difficult to disseminate across the population as a whole.
Can't really take anything from the French study, there isn't enough detail there. They say themselves it's just a clinical observation at the moment
The Egyptian study looks well done, the results look very promising.
The summary page is good. The last one linked to from the video if anyone wants to read some of them.
In short, it looks like the medical community has accepted that there may be benefit to the use of the drug for CV19 and trials are ongoing, including a big study in Australia's Monash University.
Again, I don't see why it has to be an "either/or" situation, if the studies continue to show that Ivermectin works then medics will use it. Vaccination is easier to administer will confer herd immunity and will have a much lower chance of unintended cross reactions.
Having looked at the studies, here's what I think. I'm not an epidemiologist but I do have a Master's in Public Health.
The Argentina study looks promising, however the result is worse than the projected resistance via vaccination. 20% of active cohort tested positive. We also don't know from that how long the protection will last. Finally the prophylactic regime was quite time consuming to administer compared to vaccination and would be very difficult to disseminate across the population as a whole.
Can't really take anything from the French study, there isn't enough detail there. They say themselves it's just a clinical observation at the moment
The Egyptian study looks well done, the results look very promising.
The summary page is good. The last one linked to from the video if anyone wants to read some of them.
In short, it looks like the medical community has accepted that there may be benefit to the use of the drug for CV19 and trials are ongoing, including a big study in Australia's Monash University.
Again, I don't see why it has to be an "either/or" situation, if the studies continue to show that Ivermectin works then medics will use it. Vaccination is easier to administer will confer herd immunity and will have a much lower chance of unintended cross reactions.
Apologies for a large article and would understand if "pulled" but worth a read.
Translated from recent editorial German Newspaper ‘Bild’
COMMENT
Think Britain has vaccine problems? You should see the mess we’ve made of it here in the EU
BY ALEXANDER VON SCHOENBURG, EDITOR-AT-LARGE AT BILD, GERMANY’S BIGGEST-SELL ING PAPER
BRITONS may understandably be feeling more than a little frustrated with their leaders right now during this new and more vicious phase of the pandemic.
Covid infections are soaring in the UK, there are more patients hospitalised than at the peak of the first wave and, tragically, daily deaths yesterday topped the 1,000 mark.
Then there is fury over your school closures, a developing row over who should get the vaccine — young or old — and problems with supply and distribution.
Yes, you may feel things look grim, but let me tell you that many of us here in Europe are looking across the Channel with envy.
The sclerotic and sluggish EU machine has, unforgivably, botched the roll-out of the vaccines, and the consequences are likely to prove fatal to many thousands of our citizens.
The pandemic is almost a year old and EU leaders could have and should have seen the need for a swift, effective vaccine policy a mile off.
Pitiful :-
Instead, delays, in-fighting, national self-interest and sheer bungling bureaucracy have combined to cripple the EU’s vaccine efforts.
Now a growing fury is spreading as we watch independent countries — particularly Britain, Israel and America — ramping up their vaccine distribution with tremendous efficiency in comparison to our efforts, saving lives, protecting the vulnerable and moving towards ending this terrible crisis.
Don’t believe me? Let me take you through the numbers.
More than 1.3 million people in Britain have now received either the Pfizer/BioNTech jab or the more recently approved Oxford/AstraZeneca version.
As of yesterday, France, your closest neighbour, had vaccinated just 7,000 people. During the first week of its vaccination programme, France immunised a pitiful 516 individuals: Britain managed 130,000 in the first seven days and started doing so weeks earlier.
From his bunker in the Elysee Palace, the beleaguered President Macron admits that this paltry figure is ‘not worthy of the French people,’ adding, with Gallic understatement, ‘things aren’t going well’. You can say that again.
But France’s record is in fact just one of a shameful litany across the continent. In Holland, the first Covid-19 vaccines were administered only yesterday — almost a full month after Margaret Keenan, now 91, became the first British patient to receive the jab on the NHS.
In the Polish capital Warsaw, one hospital has attracted widespread criticism for reportedly opting to give the vaccine to celebrities and politicians before vulnerable older citizens, sparking a government investigation there.
My home country of Germany had, by Tuesday, vaccinated some 317,000 people — by far the most of the EU27.
Yet what a bitter irony it is that we who were crucial to the development and manufacturing of the Pfizer/BioNTech jab — BioNTech is a start-up based outside Frankfurt — must now watch lorry loads of supplies travelling to Britain while our own roll-out is beset by delay, uncertainty and fears about future supply.
Our health minister has warned that Germany will not be vaccinating at Britain’s rate until at least the summer, thanks to distribution problems and the EU’s ill-considered ‘cap’ on the number of doses that can be distributed to the various member states.
So why, despite frequent warnings throughout last year from both the private sector and individual health ministries, and despite the limitless resources at its disposal, have things gone so horribly wrong for the EU?
The seeds were sown as far back as March when the pandemic began to engulf the continent. I was in northern Italy at the time, reporting for my paper Bild on what was the first region in Europe to be hit hard by coronavirus. I saw for myself the military lorries in Bergamo transporting coffins to mass graves, and I will not soon forget it.
Alarmed at the horror that was unfolding, Germany’s health minister Jens Spahn ordered German manufacturers of PPE and other clinical equipment to stop selling abroad. Understandably, Italy was shocked by the export ban and a chorus of EU commentators demanded ‘solidarity’.
Scarred by that experience, and ever desperate to portray herself as a pan-European, Chancellor Angela Merkel — who never wastes an opportunity to surrender her own country’s interests to those of the EU — handed over Germany’s vaccination policy to the European Commission.
It’s now all too clear that many Germans will die needlessly because of that decision and the desperately slow roll-out that has followed.
Stumbled :-
The Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, is known for her bossy, power-grabbing tendencies. These may have served her well in the closing weeks of the Brexit negotiations last month, but they have helped to plunge Europe into its vaccination crisis.
Over the summer, under Mrs von der Leyen and the Commission’s health chief, the Cypriot Stella Kyriakides, the EU made a series of devastating strategic errors. It ordered 300 million doses of a vaccine manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline-Sanofi, a drug that then stumbled in trials.
It spent the summer haggling over the price for the Pfizer/BioNTech jab, ordering sizeable shipments only in November. Britain, meanwhile, ordered 40 million doses of the same vaccine in July; America put in for 600 million.
Disgracefully, the EU has still not approved the ‘game-changing’ Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine — which is both cheap and can be stored in a standard refrigerator — that Britain began rolling out this week after securing 100 million doses. (I should acknowledge that yesterday the EU did approve another vaccine, manufactured by Moderna, on which Britain has yet to sign off.)
Though the EU has now signed contracts to buy six different vaccines, its regulators have approved just two. This terrible stasis will prove fatal — in every sense — for the EU’s population: time is running out for its healthcare systems as new and more infectious variants of the virus take hold.
Amid this chaos, it’s perhaps no surprise that some European lawmakers are desperately trying to shift the blame.
Mocked :-
Disgracefully, Belgium’s deputy prime minister, Petra De Sutter, accused other countries of using sub-standard vaccines. ‘The UK and Israel, as well as Russia and China, are vaccinating people with vaccines that are not of the same standard as the ones we use,’ she said this week.
Yes, the U.S. and the UK gained a head start by invoking emergency powers that mean drug manufacturers are less exposed should problems with a vaccine later surface. But that is the kind of rapid, vital and timely decision a sovereign country can make in a crisis.
It is impossible to make the same decision when you have 27 countries arguing with one another, all overseen by a remote and unaccountable bureaucracy in Brussels.
So what conclusions can we draw? First, nation states are far more effective in a crisis than unwieldy groupings of different countries.
But the most bitter irony for Europe is that the one foreign politician our liberal commentariat have most mocked for years — Boris Johnson — is also the one who acted swiftly and decisively when it came to securing the vaccines. The number of doses you have speaks for itself.
And it was the ‘sensible’ federalist Europeans who have failed so miserably.
Anyone who still doubts the wisdom of Brexit needs only to look at the vaccine chaos unfolding across the Channel — and think again.
Translated from recent editorial German Newspaper ‘Bild’
COMMENT
Think Britain has vaccine problems? You should see the mess we’ve made of it here in the EU
BY ALEXANDER VON SCHOENBURG, EDITOR-AT-LARGE AT BILD, GERMANY’S BIGGEST-SELL ING PAPER
BRITONS may understandably be feeling more than a little frustrated with their leaders right now during this new and more vicious phase of the pandemic.
Covid infections are soaring in the UK, there are more patients hospitalised than at the peak of the first wave and, tragically, daily deaths yesterday topped the 1,000 mark.
Then there is fury over your school closures, a developing row over who should get the vaccine — young or old — and problems with supply and distribution.
Yes, you may feel things look grim, but let me tell you that many of us here in Europe are looking across the Channel with envy.
The sclerotic and sluggish EU machine has, unforgivably, botched the roll-out of the vaccines, and the consequences are likely to prove fatal to many thousands of our citizens.
The pandemic is almost a year old and EU leaders could have and should have seen the need for a swift, effective vaccine policy a mile off.
Pitiful :-
Instead, delays, in-fighting, national self-interest and sheer bungling bureaucracy have combined to cripple the EU’s vaccine efforts.
Now a growing fury is spreading as we watch independent countries — particularly Britain, Israel and America — ramping up their vaccine distribution with tremendous efficiency in comparison to our efforts, saving lives, protecting the vulnerable and moving towards ending this terrible crisis.
Don’t believe me? Let me take you through the numbers.
More than 1.3 million people in Britain have now received either the Pfizer/BioNTech jab or the more recently approved Oxford/AstraZeneca version.
As of yesterday, France, your closest neighbour, had vaccinated just 7,000 people. During the first week of its vaccination programme, France immunised a pitiful 516 individuals: Britain managed 130,000 in the first seven days and started doing so weeks earlier.
From his bunker in the Elysee Palace, the beleaguered President Macron admits that this paltry figure is ‘not worthy of the French people,’ adding, with Gallic understatement, ‘things aren’t going well’. You can say that again.
But France’s record is in fact just one of a shameful litany across the continent. In Holland, the first Covid-19 vaccines were administered only yesterday — almost a full month after Margaret Keenan, now 91, became the first British patient to receive the jab on the NHS.
In the Polish capital Warsaw, one hospital has attracted widespread criticism for reportedly opting to give the vaccine to celebrities and politicians before vulnerable older citizens, sparking a government investigation there.
My home country of Germany had, by Tuesday, vaccinated some 317,000 people — by far the most of the EU27.
Yet what a bitter irony it is that we who were crucial to the development and manufacturing of the Pfizer/BioNTech jab — BioNTech is a start-up based outside Frankfurt — must now watch lorry loads of supplies travelling to Britain while our own roll-out is beset by delay, uncertainty and fears about future supply.
Our health minister has warned that Germany will not be vaccinating at Britain’s rate until at least the summer, thanks to distribution problems and the EU’s ill-considered ‘cap’ on the number of doses that can be distributed to the various member states.
So why, despite frequent warnings throughout last year from both the private sector and individual health ministries, and despite the limitless resources at its disposal, have things gone so horribly wrong for the EU?
The seeds were sown as far back as March when the pandemic began to engulf the continent. I was in northern Italy at the time, reporting for my paper Bild on what was the first region in Europe to be hit hard by coronavirus. I saw for myself the military lorries in Bergamo transporting coffins to mass graves, and I will not soon forget it.
Alarmed at the horror that was unfolding, Germany’s health minister Jens Spahn ordered German manufacturers of PPE and other clinical equipment to stop selling abroad. Understandably, Italy was shocked by the export ban and a chorus of EU commentators demanded ‘solidarity’.
Scarred by that experience, and ever desperate to portray herself as a pan-European, Chancellor Angela Merkel — who never wastes an opportunity to surrender her own country’s interests to those of the EU — handed over Germany’s vaccination policy to the European Commission.
It’s now all too clear that many Germans will die needlessly because of that decision and the desperately slow roll-out that has followed.
Stumbled :-
The Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, is known for her bossy, power-grabbing tendencies. These may have served her well in the closing weeks of the Brexit negotiations last month, but they have helped to plunge Europe into its vaccination crisis.
Over the summer, under Mrs von der Leyen and the Commission’s health chief, the Cypriot Stella Kyriakides, the EU made a series of devastating strategic errors. It ordered 300 million doses of a vaccine manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline-Sanofi, a drug that then stumbled in trials.
It spent the summer haggling over the price for the Pfizer/BioNTech jab, ordering sizeable shipments only in November. Britain, meanwhile, ordered 40 million doses of the same vaccine in July; America put in for 600 million.
Disgracefully, the EU has still not approved the ‘game-changing’ Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine — which is both cheap and can be stored in a standard refrigerator — that Britain began rolling out this week after securing 100 million doses. (I should acknowledge that yesterday the EU did approve another vaccine, manufactured by Moderna, on which Britain has yet to sign off.)
Though the EU has now signed contracts to buy six different vaccines, its regulators have approved just two. This terrible stasis will prove fatal — in every sense — for the EU’s population: time is running out for its healthcare systems as new and more infectious variants of the virus take hold.
Amid this chaos, it’s perhaps no surprise that some European lawmakers are desperately trying to shift the blame.
Mocked :-
Disgracefully, Belgium’s deputy prime minister, Petra De Sutter, accused other countries of using sub-standard vaccines. ‘The UK and Israel, as well as Russia and China, are vaccinating people with vaccines that are not of the same standard as the ones we use,’ she said this week.
Yes, the U.S. and the UK gained a head start by invoking emergency powers that mean drug manufacturers are less exposed should problems with a vaccine later surface. But that is the kind of rapid, vital and timely decision a sovereign country can make in a crisis.
It is impossible to make the same decision when you have 27 countries arguing with one another, all overseen by a remote and unaccountable bureaucracy in Brussels.
So what conclusions can we draw? First, nation states are far more effective in a crisis than unwieldy groupings of different countries.
But the most bitter irony for Europe is that the one foreign politician our liberal commentariat have most mocked for years — Boris Johnson — is also the one who acted swiftly and decisively when it came to securing the vaccines. The number of doses you have speaks for itself.
And it was the ‘sensible’ federalist Europeans who have failed so miserably.
Anyone who still doubts the wisdom of Brexit needs only to look at the vaccine chaos unfolding across the Channel — and think again.
Thanks Nanu, but this would have been more suited to the other 'the jab' thread imo.
I wanted this thread to be specifically about Ivermectin and not adding another debate about the whole C19 situation.
That Bild article just sounds like anti-EU hyperbole.
I wanted this thread to be specifically about Ivermectin and not adding another debate about the whole C19 situation.
That Bild article just sounds like anti-EU hyperbole.
I was using Ivermectin (Eqvalan oral syringe) as a horse wormer back in the 1980/90s and as a a consequence, I must have had this stuff on my skin many times without ill-effects.
Here's an interesting paper all about its use in the treatment of tropical diseases in humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/ in which it is suggested that it has proven to be remarkably safe in humans.
Therefore, if Ivermectin is proven to be effective against C-19, then I will be willing to take it.
Here's an interesting paper all about its use in the treatment of tropical diseases in humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/ in which it is suggested that it has proven to be remarkably safe in humans.
Therefore, if Ivermectin is proven to be effective against C-19, then I will be willing to take it.
If folk don't find a particular Topic to their liking then they should simply pass it by. That way the topic quickly vanishes off the bottom of the page into obscurity. I find it childishly amusing the way a number of these topics are discussed. Personally I won't usually comment unless I find the original post worthy of a reply.
For what it's worth I'm all for Chris pointing out that there is an alternative treatment. However, as I know little about the Jab or the alternatives I will stick with what the UK government is feeding me and stand in line for a vaccination when one is offered to me.
For what it's worth I'm all for Chris pointing out that there is an alternative treatment. However, as I know little about the Jab or the alternatives I will stick with what the UK government is feeding me and stand in line for a vaccination when one is offered to me.
