The break up of the UK - anyone bothered?

[Geezah]

Wow! an overwhelming result so far to keep Scotland within the UK.

I'll nail my coulours to the mast and tell you I will be voting to remain within the Union. I want what is best for Scotland, this is where I live but I detect some naivety among those who suppport independence as in the main, they seem to be voting with just the heart - it's too important for that. How is the elecotate supposed to make an informed decision on such an important matter when we don't have all the information?

Huge gaps seem to be appearing whereby the Scottish Nationalist Party (Not to be confused with ANY connection whatsoever to The British Nationalist Party.) seem to be papering over in a 'It'll be alright on the night' fashion.

Sure, we may get free prescriptions etc. here, but at a price. If you get cancer in Scotland, you are going to die because we don't have the money to even detect it. Think I'm scaremongering? NO Scottish Health Authority has achieved the government set 12 week target to get patients seen from GP to specialist. You see adverts telling us that the best chance to surviving cancer is to detect it early. WE KNOW!
More of the electorate need prescriptions than die of cancer so as long as it's a vote winner for the SNP, thats ok. No way do I want such a blatantly cynical party to run my manor.

Sure, if we pulled out of UK we will have more money to start off with as we won't have a defence force to payroll. You can keep your 'English' independent nuclear deterrent (Trident) and move it from its present Scottish location to your own land. However if we in Scotland ever get attacked, please will you come and save us? Not that that will ever happen of course because we are a peaceful nation. (History will tell you over and over again that it's the weak who end up being annihilated - don't think for a moment that our defences in the UK are not being probed and assessed on a regular basis by others).

We will spend our 'Peace Dividend' on socialist causes to make Scotland a better place to live. So basically we'd like to be covered under your defence 'Insurance Policy' please.....but not pay for it, is that ok?

As for the EU, Salmond and Sturgeon (do I detect something fishy going on?) keep telling us 'It'll be alright....not to worry.' When the EU tells us effectively, 'Out of the UK= out of the EU!' I know where I'd lay money.

As has been said, United we stand - divided we fall. The danger is of course that we, the current majority who want to stay in the UK will be apathetic when it comes to voting and find that we have sleepwalked our way out of the UK.

Use your vote, please.

 

[PerryGunn]

So, hypothetically speaking, if Scotland goes independent, and then starts the process for membership of the EU, does that mean all Scots living in England, Wales or NI will have to apply for residency in England?

Surely,if Scotland gains Independence and is no longer a member of the EU, all the Scots in the rest of the UK lose the right to live/work here and should get repatriated....

... at least that'll free up some housing stock for all the Romanians and Bulgarians

 

[chris g]

I wonder what the split is on the forum between scots that would vote for independence and english that would vote yes

the dialogue seems to suggest that the scots would vote no and the english would vote yes

 

[markeg]

So, hypothetically speaking, if Scotland goes independent, and then starts the process for membership of the EU, does that mean all Scots living in England, Wales or NI will have to apply for residency in England?

Surely,if Scotland gains Independence and is no longer a member of the EU, all the Scots in the rest of the UK lose the right to live/work here and should get repatriated....

... at least that'll free up some housing stock for all the Romanians and Bulgarians

Nah, it'll be taken up by all the English repatriated south of the border

 

[Converted Steve]

It would be a very sad day if the Union breaks up. As they say, 'united we stand, divided we fall'. Lets hope that common sense prevails

Absolutely!!

 

[Anonymous]

I think we should re-instate Hadrians wall

 

[markeg]

It would be a very sad day if the Union breaks up. As they say, 'united we stand, divided we fall'. Lets hope that common sense prevails

Of course, it would decimate the armed forces - Scottish regiments gone, Faslane gone (with associated job losses), Leuchars and other bases closed (with associated job losses) - there are documented examples of how closing a major base has massive financial impacts on the local economy.

 

[metal licker]

I consider myself British ( Dads a Scot, Mum is English ) also worked in Scotland quite a lot
Think the whole idea is F***king madness and will end up costing both country's a fortune just to further a few politician's ambitions

 

[Jembo]

Grandfather's Scottish - can anyone advise

1. If the majority vote NO, can they keep trying (wasting more money) every couple of years trying again?

2. What happens to the North Sea Oil?

3. What happens to the RBS debt?

Cheers

 

[wegras]

Grandfather's Scottish - can anyone advise

1. If the majority vote NO, can they keep trying (wasting more money) every couple of years trying again?

2. What happens to the North Sea Oil?

3. What happens to the RBS debt?

Cheers

Mine too
but Salmond will no doubt keep going until they get the "right "answer

 

[buzyg]

Maybe we're too far South. I just can't see how any one in Scotland can fall for Salmond 's blurb.

How are they planning to pay for defence?

Will there be a Vote on wether to stay in the Commomwealth?

Just a few thoughts from a UK citizen, a long way from Edinburgh.

 

[Bing]

Grandfather's Scottish - can anyone advise

1. If the majority vote NO, can they keep trying (wasting more money) every couple of years trying again?

2. What happens to the North Sea Oil?

3. What happens to the RBS debt?

Cheers

1. They'll try, but hopefully Salmond will be ruined if the answer is no.

2. Come and get it if you think you're hard enough :evil:

3. Debt - and bank - owned by the British government - you're welcome to it :lol:

It's a seriously sh1t idea with no basis in the reality of the will of the people, no plan, founded on a base of irrelevant historical rhetoric and cynical manipulation of the political process to include people who can't legally vote in a government.

I would vote no if I could. Adamski said it most eloquently Interestingly, if I was an ex-pat Scot living in Malaysia I would get a vote - WTF is all that about ?

I'm Scottish by birth and proud of it, but British through and through. Couldn't feel less 'European' if I wore a sarong and took up Buddhism. Oh and the Spanish PM can f**k right off - he shouldn't have a say in governing anything outside their borders until they can get their sums right...

 

[original guvnor]

Oh and the Spanish PM can f**k right off - he shouldn't have a say in governing anything outside their borders until they can get their sums right...

Couldn't agree more Bing. Perhaps he's trying to fire a warning shot across Catalan bows? Either way, it's none of his goddamn business what the Scottish people choose in a democratic vote.

 

[sars]

I wonder how many of the 14 people voting yes so far are English

 

[pvr]

I wonder how many of the 14 people voting yes so far are English

Of course, my council tax would go down :evil:

 

[Gargybloke]

I wonder how many of the 14 people voting yes so far are English

Of course, my council tax would go down :evil:

+1 Right on

I'm English, not British as British passports have been tossed about like confetti in the last 20 years so become meaningless.
As it is a very important issue that affects the whole of the UK we should all have some sort of vote on it. I would vote for them to leave now. I'm one of those fed up with the whining and would like to have better democracy for England. It is lopsided and wrong at the moment.

On too many occasions in England we have ended up with the Government that the majority of UK voters didn't want which has always f#c'd us over badly and pushed us back years in development and wealth.

If it was a yes vote, I predict a stream of people will try to move to other parts of the UK. Dismantle all our interests up there asap and get border control in place quick!

 

[stephendutton]

If Scotland votes no why not just change name to England and have done with it

 

[marchantsuk]

Has no one pointed out to Alex Salmond that if he wins then it's everything that's on land not sea.
The UK Territorial waters are Sovereign territory so remain as is and not the right of Scotland. Now that's some black hole in your budget Mr F**k wit

 

[-Tom-]

Has no one pointed out to Alex Salmond that if he wins then it's everything that's on land not sea.
The UK Territorial waters are Sovereign territory so remain as is and not the right of Scotland. Now that's some black hole in your budget Mr F**k wit

I didn't know that, that's an interesting point.

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[pvr]

Just looked that up, and it seems that most oil will be Scottish. Just the dispute will be exactly where the line will be drawn.