Thanks Nico ( NOT )

[ben g]

Can't blame lewis having less points than Rosberg when he's had a ridiculous run of failures cause by no fault of his own.

To be just 29 points behind rosberg despite all that is nothing short of a miracle.

 

[ranski]

I tell you now..Hamilton will win in Abu Dhabi, claim the double points and the world title.

 

[buzyg]

I'm not a Lewis fan. But he is clearly a better driver than Nico. Therefore I hope he takes the title. Nico's driving today was poor. He panicked, on that corner. Either he was fast enough to follow and overtake Lewis later on, or he wasn't. Either way that was the wrong time and place to risk both the teams’ cars. It was therefore plain and simple, a bad decision by Nico. :thumbsdown:

It's never the less the case, that the history books will show, he got 18 points and Lewis DNF.

 

[AndyBeech]

Well, despite the knee-jerk reactions of Toto Wolfe and Niki Lauder (talking to the press after Lewis had had a chance to bend their ear, but before they had talked to Nico), the stewards of the race obviously didn't feel that any transgression had taken place.

To be precise, it was Lewis's car that was changing direction at the point of impact, so you could argue that it was Lewis who hit Nico.

At least you'll never hear Nico pleading to be retired from a race.

So, still going to stick up for Nico after his admission? Your obviously a Lewis hater but not even you can defend a deliberate act to ruin a team mates race let alone the teams race...?

Firstly, I'd like to hear what Nico himself has to say, rather than relying on Lewis's version.

UPDATE: Looks like Lewis wasn't exactly telling the truth, according to http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115560 and http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115558.

Secondly, it would be a strange manoeuvre to try to carry off deliberately - there is no guarantee that you won't damage your car to a greater extent than your opponent's. In this instance, Lewis's car sustained a puncture and Nico's only had minor damage to his front spoiler, but it could just as easily ended up with Lewis not sustaining any damage and Nico's nose cone ending up under his car.

Thirdly, even if it were deliberate, then there are many examples of ruthless driving by the great drivers - Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher included. You don't become World Champion by being Mr Nice Guy, especially when your team mate has already cost you an almost certain victory by disobeying team orders in the previous race.

Fourthly, you may wish to learn the difference between "your" and "you're" and also "mates" and "mate's" and "teams" and "team's".

http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41055
Oh no the grammar police! Sorry I thought we were discussing the race not the English language, my apologies. A classic line used by people with no argument generally. I'm sure if I was that way inclined I could scour your previous posts for incorrect spelling and grammar but frankly I'm not that petty but I digress....

So your argument is that you don't win championships by being the nice guy etc etc. Well yes, I agree to an extent, but your post above and your post on the last race regarding Lewis ignoring team orders contradicts your own logic:

They employ him, and they pay his wages, so they have every right to tell him what to do.

As it is, he probably lost the Mercedes team a race win today, and I can't imagine that they will be too happy with him.

I suspect that it may not be too long before Nico is officially made the team's No. 1 driver. He's faster than Lewis and makes far less mistakes.

Apart from being a laughable post anyway....

So it's ok for Nico and previous world champions you mention to be aggressive and do what needs to be done regardless to be the World Champion but when Lewis 'ignores' team orders its well out or order and costs Mercedes a race win?
What did Nico do today? Cost Mercedes a race win. Have you once mentioned that Nico is in the wrong? No
Did Lewis even ignore team orders last race or was Nico not even close enough to actually make the pass?

And your point of Nico making far less mistakes? Well he made a pretty big one yesterday wouldn't you agree? I've yet to see Lewis take out Nico in a wheel to wheel battle this season.

In terms of the team sticking by a driver, if anything would have stopped them it would have been Lewis's actions in deliberately disobeying team orders in Hurgary.

The reality is that Mercedes are paying Lewis €20m this year, whereas they are only paying Nico €12m. That means that they expect a greater return on their investment in Lewis (for Formula 1 is at least as much - if not more so - a business than a sport). Having Nico lead the WC probably doesn't suit their business plan.

More absolute rubbish. I think you'll find barring mechanical reliability Lewis would most likely be leading the World Championship so your point is?
And again with the deliberately disobeying team orders? Seriously.
I can't believe someone who's genuinely into motor racing would refuse to even think that Nico was in the wrong yesterday, actually amazed.

And a German team with a German driver leading the World Championship wouldn't suit their business plan? Lewis probably brings in a lot more money through sponsorship deals as he's better known around the globe than Nico, you could say a better 'brand'. Dating a Pussycat Doll helps his recognition in America for example let alone being a previous World Champion (Nico isn't), a much bigger market than Nico potentially has access to but that isn't really relevant to anything so I've no idea why you would bring salary differences up.

I don't mind having a debate with someone that's reasoned and can see the picture from both sides, but you clearly have a hate for Lewis whatever you might say so it's actually pointless debating with you.
Oh yes and please feel free to call me out on my lack of English skills again, or you could just stay on topic if you like. You might like to learn the difference between a 'reasoned' opinion and a 'biased' opinion, generally helps when you're trying to make an argument without looking daft. Lk fwrd 2 hring ur rply

 

[original guvnor]

Last time I looked one of these two drivers was a World Champion. One never has been and frankly on the evidence of the way he drove yesterday, probably never will be.

 

[ben g]

BURRRRNNNNNNNNEEEEDDDDD!

 

[gov]

I nevr fault an innosent post like this wld crate so much desent - surry :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[biggiz_40]

I nevr fault an innosent post like this wld crate so much desent - surry :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[Bing]

Andy - nice, that entertained me a lot :lol:

Last time I looked one of these two drivers was a World Champion. One never has been and frankly on the evidence of the way he drove yesterday, probably never will be.

That's a bit harsh I think, Nico has properly cocked up once - other than that, and thanks to a (mostly) reliable car, I think he's showed he has the potential to win the championship, albeit flattered by the dominance of Mercedes. He made a stupid error of judgement which he will regret, and hopefully not do again. Yes, other drivers have been aggressive and deliberately taken others out in the past, but how many times did they do it to their team mate ? This is an unusual situation, having both drivers in a team effectively battling for 1st and 2nd in both the race and the championship every time they drive. However Lewis has shown that if his car stays on the track he is the better driver - I am not an almanac of F1 but I am pretty sure Nico hasn't (couldn't ?) come from the very back of the field to a podium finish. I do agree Lewis will probably win in the end. But if he doesn't and Nico does then I hope Nico wins with more style and sportsman-like behaviour than he displayed yesterday.

 

[AndyBeech]

I nevr fault an innosent post like this wld crate so much desent - surry :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[srhutch]

Andy - nice, that entertained me a lot :lol:

Last time I looked one of these two drivers was a World Champion. One never has been and frankly on the evidence of the way he drove yesterday, probably never will be.

That's a bit harsh I think, Nico has properly cocked up once - other than that, and thanks to a (mostly) reliable car, I think he's showed he has the potential to win the championship, albeit flattered by the dominance of Mercedes. He made a stupid error of judgement which he will regret, and hopefully not do again. Yes, other drivers have been aggressive and deliberately taken others out in the past, but how many times did they do it to their team mate ? This is an unusual situation, having both drivers in a team effectively battling for 1st and 2nd in both the race and the championship every time they drive. However Lewis has shown that if his car stays on the track he is the better driver - I am not an almanac of F1 but I am pretty sure Nico hasn't (couldn't ?) come from the very back of the field to a podium finish. I do agree Lewis will probably win in the end. But if he doesn't and Nico does then I hope Nico wins with more style and sportsman-like behaviour than he displayed yesterday.

Don't forget Monaco. I do hope Lewis beats him, and judging by the crowd yesterday I'm not alone.

 

[Zed_Steve]

I nevr fault an innosent post like this wld crate so much desent - surry :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

I want whetever he's on

 

[exdos]

So called "Professor Nico" should know that to be upsides another car on the outside of a bend, he has to be travelling a lot faster than the car on the inside of that same bend (angular velocity and all that), therefore if he isn't, then the other car has the racing line. Clearly, Lewis had the racing line. The fact that he persisted with this move, the sort of thing you see at the local karting track, either shows that he is a complete novice, which he certainly isn't, or he was acting deliberately, especially when he had the option of carrying straight on over the kerb to rejoin the track again after the next left hand turn, as we've seen many other drivers do. Rosberg has now shown himself as a snake and his "Mr Nice Guy" image is just an act and he's lost a huge amount of credibility by his actions at Spa and Monaco. Schumacher taught him well.

 

[lux]

Do you think either Lewis or Nico are 'great' drivers, or just simply good drivers in the best car!? Vettel has proved he was a good driver in a great car last year now that Ricciardo is pissing all over him.
This year has been more interesting than normal because of all the petty squabbling. I don't care who wins, I just hope they take each other out in a spectacular crash and end up rolling round the gravel trap scrapping!

 

[ben g]

Andy - nice, that entertained me a lot :lol:

Last time I looked one of these two drivers was a World Champion. One never has been and frankly on the evidence of the way he drove yesterday, probably never will be.

That's a bit harsh I think, Nico has properly cocked up once - other than that, and thanks to a (mostly) reliable car, I think he's showed he has the potential to win the championship, albeit flattered by the dominance of Mercedes. He made a stupid error of judgement which he will regret, and hopefully not do again. Yes, other drivers have been aggressive and deliberately taken others out in the past, but how many times did they do it to their team mate ? This is an unusual situation, having both drivers in a team effectively battling for 1st and 2nd in both the race and the championship every time they drive. However Lewis has shown that if his car stays on the track he is the better driver - I am not an almanac of F1 but I am pretty sure Nico hasn't (couldn't ?) come from the very back of the field to a podium finish. I do agree Lewis will probably win in the end. But if he doesn't and Nico does then I hope Nico wins with more style and sportsman-like behaviour than he displayed yesterday.

Don't forget Monaco. I do hope Lewis beats him, and judging by the crowd yesterday I'm not alone.

Lets not forget that apparently the whole crowd were British according to Nico. What a pleb he is. Code of conduct :lol:

 

[ben g]

Do you think either Lewis or Nico are 'great' drivers, or just simply good drivers in the best car!? Vettel has proved he was a good driver in a great car last year now that Ricciardo is pissing all over him.
This year has been more interesting than normal because of all the petty squabbling. I don't care who wins, I just hope they take each other out in a spectacular crash and end up rolling round the gravel trap scrapping!

Ask Fernando Alonso that and see what his reply is...

Lewis is a natural racer, as is vettel and Alonso.

Easy to get to the top (button). Very difficult to stay therr.

 

[lux]

Do you think either Lewis or Nico are 'great' drivers, or just simply good drivers in the best car!? Vettel has proved he was a good driver in a great car last year now that Ricciardo is pissing all over him.
This year has been more interesting than normal because of all the petty squabbling. I don't care who wins, I just hope they take each other out in a spectacular crash and end up rolling round the gravel trap scrapping!

Ask Fernando Alonso that and see what his reply is...

Ooooh I didn't know he was on the forum!? :?

 

[PerryGunn]

So called "Professor Nico" should know that to be upsides another car on the outside of a bend, he has to be travelling a lot faster than the car on the inside of that same bend (angular velocity and all that), therefore if he isn't, then the other car has the racing line. Clearly, Lewis had the racing line. The fact that he persisted with this move, the sort of thing you see at the local karting track, either shows that he is a complete novice, which he certainly isn't, or he was acting deliberately, especially when he had the option of carrying straight on over the kerb to rejoin the track again after the next left hand turn, as we've seen many other drivers do. Rosberg has now shown himself as a snake and his "Mr Nice Guy" image is just an act and he's lost a huge amount of credibility by his actions at Spa and Monaco. Schumacher taught him well.

IAWTP

 

[ben g]

Do you think either Lewis or Nico are 'great' drivers, or just simply good drivers in the best car!? Vettel has proved he was a good driver in a great car last year now that Ricciardo is pissing all over him.
This year has been more interesting than normal because of all the petty squabbling. I don't care who wins, I just hope they take each other out in a spectacular crash and end up rolling round the gravel trap scrapping!

Ask Fernando Alonso that and see what his reply is...

Ooooh I didn't know he was on the forum!? :?

Yes mate, under the name ImAGreasySpaniard

 

[DumfriesDik]

This has got folk talking about F1 now, not even Bernie could have orchestrated this . . . or did he?!