Tesla Autopilot, wow
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Family of Dutchies in Holland I think.
If that was my car I'd be leaving that particular safety option firmly switched off.
The reason: great that it detected rapidly slowing traffic and slowed his car but it just puts you at greater risk of being rear-ended by some dumb-ass east european trucker who's busy on his phone. I see a LOT of that on Dutch roads, weaving all over the show and not paying attention to what's going on ahead of them.
I'd be looking for a way to slow down moving around the crash while having enough time to check the driver behind me in the mirror, like it seemed a lot of other people in that incident managed to do.
Thanks Tesla, but no thanks.
If that was my car I'd be leaving that particular safety option firmly switched off.
The reason: great that it detected rapidly slowing traffic and slowed his car but it just puts you at greater risk of being rear-ended by some dumb-ass east european trucker who's busy on his phone. I see a LOT of that on Dutch roads, weaving all over the show and not paying attention to what's going on ahead of them.
I'd be looking for a way to slow down moving around the crash while having enough time to check the driver behind me in the mirror, like it seemed a lot of other people in that incident managed to do.
Thanks Tesla, but no thanks.
That is a very valid point I did not think of. I would doubt they account for that as well as the assumption would have to be that the car behing would detect you slowing and also slow.Chris_D said:
Not that I will ever be in a posistion to have one of these mind you
Vonlipvig said:
I actually think that is BLOODY impressive!
If some twunt was going to rear end you, it would probably happen even if the stop was driver induced, at the end of the day, the Tesla protected it's occupants, which is what I personally like in my cars, and why my "family" transport is an XC90.
Mike
Ducklakeview said:
Can't agree Mike. While it reduced the risk of ploughing into that crash by applying the brakes it also introduced a new risk of being rear-ended. With a crumple zone smaller at the back than the front and with a greater potential closing speed of an unaware driver behind you the risk of sustaining greater injuries or death is even higher imo.
I'd always prefer to choose how to slow/stop while being aware of and controlling the situation behind me any day of the week.
Unable to play the Video form some reason. Wasn't there some chap in the USA who raved on about this system fitted to his car and got killed as it failed to see a lorry pass in front of him. I'm all for warning aids but very wary of relying totally on such systems to work 100% of the time.
The Hyundai i10 I've ordered has a lane departure warning system and a front collision warning system. I asked the salesman about it but didn't have a clue as its an extra add on and they've not had a car in yet with it on, the blurb on Hyundais website says,
Front Collision Warning System (FCWS)
The multi-function camera monitors the distance between your car and the vehicle in
front. It provides visual and audible alerts if the risk of collision is detected.
So it stops short of the car taking over and avoiding a collision which I kinda prefer unless I fainted at the wheel :lol:
I thought for 275 quid it was worth adding so I can tailgate BMW drivers :lol:
This is all a slippery slope though towards driverless cars
Tim.
The Hyundai i10 I've ordered has a lane departure warning system and a front collision warning system. I asked the salesman about it but didn't have a clue as its an extra add on and they've not had a car in yet with it on, the blurb on Hyundais website says,
Front Collision Warning System (FCWS)
The multi-function camera monitors the distance between your car and the vehicle in
front. It provides visual and audible alerts if the risk of collision is detected.
So it stops short of the car taking over and avoiding a collision which I kinda prefer unless I fainted at the wheel :lol:
I thought for 275 quid it was worth adding so I can tailgate BMW drivers :lol:
This is all a slippery slope though towards driverless cars
Tim.
The one where the chap was killed was a combination of a white lorry with no markings, very bright sunlight in the 'eye' of the camera, and on a desert road. It blinded the camera and sensors, evidently.
The impressive thing about this clip is that the car saw what happened in front of the car in front, which is amazing! Maybe if it detected a car too close behind it would have taken avoiding action as well?
The impressive thing about this clip is that the car saw what happened in front of the car in front, which is amazing! Maybe if it detected a car too close behind it would have taken avoiding action as well?
The tesla didnt beep before the crash. The car in front of the car in front was braking for already over 2 seconds before the tesla starts to beep.
The car in front I think wants to change lanes to cut off a piece of the traffic jam and misjudges the speed at which the cars brake (probably while checking his blind spot).
But you can clearly see the cars in front of the car in front braking for some time (its a bit obscured because this is a very wide angled lens on that camera so everything looks further away).
So in fact the tesla does what everybody learns at their driving lessons: dont just focus on the car in front, try to look 2-5 cars ahead.
I dont believe how you all fall for that suggestive title
It just sees the cars in front of the car in front. Probably through the windows or just alongside just as humans do.
But the autopilot system is also very dangerous. Tesla tries to cover themselves by saying you have to pay attention like a normal driver but if you give people these tools they will start to rely on them.
And it also creates crashes in situations where you think how the hell this is possible, like these ones:
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[youtube]rJ7vqAUJdbE[/youtube]
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All similar crashes where it fails to see rather large objects, some even at very low speeds.
The problems with these systems, is that the driver is only alarmed on the objects/situations it does see and not on the situations it doesnt see. So there is no sense on when to react and when not to.
The car in front I think wants to change lanes to cut off a piece of the traffic jam and misjudges the speed at which the cars brake (probably while checking his blind spot).
But you can clearly see the cars in front of the car in front braking for some time (its a bit obscured because this is a very wide angled lens on that camera so everything looks further away).
So in fact the tesla does what everybody learns at their driving lessons: dont just focus on the car in front, try to look 2-5 cars ahead.
I dont believe how you all fall for that suggestive title
It just sees the cars in front of the car in front. Probably through the windows or just alongside just as humans do.
But the autopilot system is also very dangerous. Tesla tries to cover themselves by saying you have to pay attention like a normal driver but if you give people these tools they will start to rely on them.
And it also creates crashes in situations where you think how the hell this is possible, like these ones:
[youtube]qQkx-4pFjus[/youtube]
[youtube]rJ7vqAUJdbE[/youtube]
[youtube]fc0yYJ8-Dyo[/youtube]
All similar crashes where it fails to see rather large objects, some even at very low speeds.
The problems with these systems, is that the driver is only alarmed on the objects/situations it does see and not on the situations it doesnt see. So there is no sense on when to react and when not to.
absolutely.
I think autopilot can be a good addition as a drivers aid, but the danger is that people will start to rely on them (thats only human), because that system works all the time, and it gives the suggestion that the car can drive itself.
So I think tesla goes way to far with integration of these systems that are clearly not bulletproof. And that has lead to deaths already.
Luckily other brands are a bit more reserved in the extent of integration of these systems. In car reviews you hear the reviewers say than whats the point if you have to put your hands on the wheel every 10sec or so etc etc, but Tesla tries to cover its ass by saying that you should do so. And I think thats a wrong approach.
I think autopilot can be a good addition as a drivers aid, but the danger is that people will start to rely on them (thats only human), because that system works all the time, and it gives the suggestion that the car can drive itself.
So I think tesla goes way to far with integration of these systems that are clearly not bulletproof. And that has lead to deaths already.
Luckily other brands are a bit more reserved in the extent of integration of these systems. In car reviews you hear the reviewers say than whats the point if you have to put your hands on the wheel every 10sec or so etc etc, but Tesla tries to cover its ass by saying that you should do so. And I think thats a wrong approach.
I think that's one of the most basic things to do if you want to market an 'autopilot' function.
It's expected from every driver to do that as it is taught during driving lessons.
I always look through the windows of the car in front of me to the cars in front of that. If a van (or suv with tinted windows) pulls up inbetween I immediately feel more insecure as I feel I dont have a goed birds eye view anymore on the traffic in front.
You cant see it very well in the video because its so much a fish eyed lens and every thing looks really far away, but normally seeing the brake lights of the traffic in front is really not that hard I think?
What amaized me most is that a small car like that (what is it? a micra? corsa?) can get a big SUV tumbled over.
It's expected from every driver to do that as it is taught during driving lessons.
I always look through the windows of the car in front of me to the cars in front of that. If a van (or suv with tinted windows) pulls up inbetween I immediately feel more insecure as I feel I dont have a goed birds eye view anymore on the traffic in front.
You cant see it very well in the video because its so much a fish eyed lens and every thing looks really far away, but normally seeing the brake lights of the traffic in front is really not that hard I think?
What amaized me most is that a small car like that (what is it? a micra? corsa?) can get a big SUV tumbled over.
Marlon said:So its reacting to the car in front of the car in front, if true - thats even more impressive
Seems perfectly possible if you don't constrain yourself to what the camera is able to see. The tesla will have an array of optical and radar systems at each corner of the vehicle to understand the road around it and would be able to see both the obstruction down the left hand side and the red brake lights of those vehicles before the car in front crashes.
Wonder how it will react to a bit of debris on the M25 on a dark morning - wouldn't want to be the car following
