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It's also the speed of the rate increase, before we know it it will be £1000. As much as I love the Z it's hard to justify with insurance and tax before I put petrol in it this year it was £1235. With my milage per year with fuel and repairs its probably getting to a £1 per mile.
It is what it is so we have to face it but I think ive averaged about 3000k a year in my Z4M yet I do 20k in my mini JCW which is £120, it does at best 44mpg. Im sure it's cleaner but surely that's outweighed by the milage.
I would also not mind but my mini like a lot of Z4s had 4 cracked rims... on run flats which is the issue but all 4 is incredible the car was an insurance replacement and second hand so they could well have been cracked when we got it and they held until one bump too far and it set the TPMS off. Anyway my point is it cost nearly £4k for a new set with non runflats and man was it a battle with BMW to supply non runflats because the car was specced with runflats so had no kit incase we got a flat.
Point is the roads as sooooo bad. Im from the countryside and you expect it with tractors etc but man the roads here in Manchester are attrocious and often im so busy trying not to hit pot holes that im sure its not the best driving direction... that being said I had a vibration through the car and was worried it was the 4wd system. Turned out it wasn't but the new front left rim has a slight bend in it. Thankfully it's not too bad and can be repaired but it's just annoying as we are so careful because of the cost of the replacement. Hate to think what it's like for people not as careful, or the amount of people driving around with potentially dangerous wheels.
In the past 20 years of owning cars ive never had a cracked or bent rim and I don't think its to do with driving the correlation is with the state of the roads.
The thing with SUVs and big heavy electric cars being so popular the roads are really getting torn up and they aren't being repaired. Also looking at cars like the EV9 the kerb weight is 2.7 tonnes. vehicles over 3.5 tonnes are declared as category C which is mental really. You could fill a car of that size with 800kg, 7 people and luggage it pretty much is a category C.
It is what it is so we have to face it but I think ive averaged about 3000k a year in my Z4M yet I do 20k in my mini JCW which is £120, it does at best 44mpg. Im sure it's cleaner but surely that's outweighed by the milage.
I would also not mind but my mini like a lot of Z4s had 4 cracked rims... on run flats which is the issue but all 4 is incredible the car was an insurance replacement and second hand so they could well have been cracked when we got it and they held until one bump too far and it set the TPMS off. Anyway my point is it cost nearly £4k for a new set with non runflats and man was it a battle with BMW to supply non runflats because the car was specced with runflats so had no kit incase we got a flat.
Point is the roads as sooooo bad. Im from the countryside and you expect it with tractors etc but man the roads here in Manchester are attrocious and often im so busy trying not to hit pot holes that im sure its not the best driving direction... that being said I had a vibration through the car and was worried it was the 4wd system. Turned out it wasn't but the new front left rim has a slight bend in it. Thankfully it's not too bad and can be repaired but it's just annoying as we are so careful because of the cost of the replacement. Hate to think what it's like for people not as careful, or the amount of people driving around with potentially dangerous wheels.
In the past 20 years of owning cars ive never had a cracked or bent rim and I don't think its to do with driving the correlation is with the state of the roads.
The thing with SUVs and big heavy electric cars being so popular the roads are really getting torn up and they aren't being repaired. Also looking at cars like the EV9 the kerb weight is 2.7 tonnes. vehicles over 3.5 tonnes are declared as category C which is mental really. You could fill a car of that size with 800kg, 7 people and luggage it pretty much is a category C.
Ohio
Perhaps it's time to vote for those who don't fetish using CO2 emissions to keep people taxed heavily. As another one said, EVs are horrible for the environment in a different manner. Their lifespan is between 30% and 50% that of an ICE-based vehicle and even more toxic in disposal. Don't even start on the inability to put out EV fires in accidents or just burn your house down while charging.
Now, I don't argue with EVs as being fantastic, have new technology, and are fast. But those brainwashed into the cult who don't realize how electricity is generated or how to temporarily store it, are not worth arguing with. You must be a critical thinker and educated on the topic to discuss it.
The provocative argument is (as already stated)... why aren't EV's paying more money on fixing the roads? EVs are certainly more damaging to road surfaces than ICE-based vehicles - more than 2x statistically.
Now, I don't argue with EVs as being fantastic, have new technology, and are fast. But those brainwashed into the cult who don't realize how electricity is generated or how to temporarily store it, are not worth arguing with. You must be a critical thinker and educated on the topic to discuss it.
The provocative argument is (as already stated)... why aren't EV's paying more money on fixing the roads? EVs are certainly more damaging to road surfaces than ICE-based vehicles - more than 2x statistically.
axelleveau
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Christopher72 said:
Source?
pvr said:
You mean doubling the price of cars at the sale point?
The thing about EVs is regardless of your personal feeling the government is pushing all business users toward it. Most of the big milage is done by business users and hybrid and EVs are the only thing you can get incentive on.
I have my own business and I have 2 dogs and a baby and on the road all the time with the family loaded with buggy luggage etc so we want a bigger car like a 7 seater mainly for the extra space but nice to get GPA and GMA in it too. The Kia EV9 is the only one in that bracket really you can get insentive. All the other 7 seaters aren't 7 seaters really like the X5 and is a bit too small and the X7 is not a particularly good looking car. I would love a Q7 but they only offer them in diesel which is ideal but the rates on one through the business are astronomical and buying one isnt really a great idea with values in the next 5 years. You can also claim back cost of electricity through the business too and considering it's so cheap to fill it at home it kind of makes sense.
Its when your out on the road that logic falls down.
I have my own business and I have 2 dogs and a baby and on the road all the time with the family loaded with buggy luggage etc so we want a bigger car like a 7 seater mainly for the extra space but nice to get GPA and GMA in it too. The Kia EV9 is the only one in that bracket really you can get insentive. All the other 7 seaters aren't 7 seaters really like the X5 and is a bit too small and the X7 is not a particularly good looking car. I would love a Q7 but they only offer them in diesel which is ideal but the rates on one through the business are astronomical and buying one isnt really a great idea with values in the next 5 years. You can also claim back cost of electricity through the business too and considering it's so cheap to fill it at home it kind of makes sense.
Its when your out on the road that logic falls down.
Just remove all taxes based on vehicles and leave in remaining registration costs. We already are taxed in the increasing prices of electricity for the green cashgrab boondoggle and already taxed heavily in fuels. The state should be using property taxes for roads -- just because you don't have a vehicle doesn't mean you don't rely on good roads for all of your services.
They tax it when I earn it, They tax it when I buy with it, they tax it when I run it, they tax it when I sell it. Enough is enough. "Who is John Galt?"
They tax it when I earn it, They tax it when I buy with it, they tax it when I run it, they tax it when I sell it. Enough is enough. "Who is John Galt?"
San Francisco, CA
You knew this already, there won't be any. It's all cheap partisan talking points to try to persuade daft folk to switch teams.axelleveau said:
You see, in America, political parties are very much like sport teams. If you're born and raised either City or United. And you'll go to your grave rooting for your team. But it's just sports, one may argue. Here you're either a Republican or a Democrat. And like if it was 'just sports', you spew and parrot and daftest things to defend your 'team'. But it isn't sports and teams. It's millions of folk literally going bankrupt because profit trumps healthcare cost, millions of students indebted because profit trumps good ole fashion public education, kitchen faucets lighting up on fire because oil trumps potable water, and so on and so on. The list is practically infinite. And add to it the nonsense spewed around climate change, global warming, EVs and renewable energy.
Republicans like Christopher are dime a dozen; educated, cultured, traveled, smart, financially-stable, relatively healthy, good looking, married, family, the full monty, and even more important to note, white, male, straight and Christian. They are the proper elite in many different aspects. They know they're saying hurtful shite, but they can't switch teams. So they double-down on shite hoping some will stick. It's very deliberate.
It's so nonsensical, one day they're giddy, boasting how little tax they pay:
Christopher72 said:
And a mere 11 days later, they make a case to increase their own taxes:
Christopher72 said:
Is your head spinning yet ?
LMAO.. another TDS. Why is Trump always on your mind? We're talking taxes and rooting them into actual costs, like road maintenance.
:lol: My local registration taxes are excellently minor because they are local and not part of a boondoggle often used for politicians' interests. They are used effectively for registration administration, the employees who manage websites that need to run, etc.
The real challenge lies in the higher federal taxes that, through regulation, artificially inflate the cost of energy sources. This shortsighted political approach leads to a spiraling price inflation that disproportionately affects the most vulnerable in our society. The market is already driving innovation toward the next energy solution; we don't need to burden the poor and middle classes until a cost-effective replacement is available. The promise of a substantial market reward for the inventor or company that develops this solution is enough to drive progress. We don't need to use taxpayer funds to find the most cost-efficient mix of technologies (old and new)-let the market adjust. After all, the federal government rarely does anything efficiently or without corruption.
So, it's up to us to elect solid leaders who respect and work for the people, not those who see it as a chance to take more money from your wallet. If the people in your local town vote in questionable leaders who steal your money with virtue signaling and other distractions, it's our responsibility to replace them before they lock in their power using your money.
And If I'm doing almost all of my work on a 13-year-old car while buying parts from eBay. I'm certainly not in the affluent class,
The real challenge lies in the higher federal taxes that, through regulation, artificially inflate the cost of energy sources. This shortsighted political approach leads to a spiraling price inflation that disproportionately affects the most vulnerable in our society. The market is already driving innovation toward the next energy solution; we don't need to burden the poor and middle classes until a cost-effective replacement is available. The promise of a substantial market reward for the inventor or company that develops this solution is enough to drive progress. We don't need to use taxpayer funds to find the most cost-efficient mix of technologies (old and new)-let the market adjust. After all, the federal government rarely does anything efficiently or without corruption.
So, it's up to us to elect solid leaders who respect and work for the people, not those who see it as a chance to take more money from your wallet. If the people in your local town vote in questionable leaders who steal your money with virtue signaling and other distractions, it's our responsibility to replace them before they lock in their power using your money.
And If I'm doing almost all of my work on a 13-year-old car while buying parts from eBay. I'm certainly not in the affluent class,